Summary
The Atlantic has published unredacted attack plans (non-paywall link) shared in a Signal group chat of senior Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, and DNI Tulsi Gabbard.
Editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg released the full texts after officials denied sharing war plans or classified information, arguing transparency was necessary amid accusations of dishonesty.
The leaked messages detailed U.S. military strikes targeting Houthis in Yemen.
So many people talking about the fact that this leaked, and not enough are talking about what leaked.
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
If you have to kill someone, sure, that’s a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process. But hey, they’re not Americans, so they don’t count.
It’s like the confirmation of Brett Kavenau when he threw a hissy fit about how he “likes beer”…
That in and of itself should have disqualified him. If someone isn’t capable of being even-keeled and not throwing a temper tantrum, then they shouldn’t hold the highest judicial office in the land…
That would have disqualified him from almost any normal job interview.
Since when do American leaders care about “collateral damage” ?
The largest terrorist organisation in the world.
Since when do Americans im general? They sure were all united when they were leveling my country
Americans do not all support wars.
Zero comfort while I stand in the rubble of my former home
When you claim to be a democracy, and you have two group, both see killing Palestinian and brown people is okay, and your 2/3 of the population still vote for them, your statement objectively false.
Ah yes, blame the victims, that’s sure to solve the problem. I suppose I should also blame the people who live in the building that was dropped for boarding with a terrorist? I mean they can just choose to be somewhere else, right?
Fuck off.
Are you suggesting that if a person votes for a given candidate then it means the person agrees with everything the candidate does?
So what should they vote for no one and stay home?
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
As someone who was around for “We’ll put a boot in yer ass, it’s the American way” this does not surprise me in the slightest.
If you have to kill someone, sure, that’s a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process
I can think of a few deaths worth celebrating
They are so incredibly dishonorable it’s appalling.
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We’re talking about the same guys funded by the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor. This doesn’t surprise anyone. Everyone is expendable for the company’s machine, they wouldn’t mind targeting innocent people, let alone causing civilian casualties when targeting real terrorists.
the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor
I’m sorry, who with the what now?
Peter Thiel.
These dumbfucks have no empathy. They will tell you empathy is weakness. In reality empathy is a social defense mechanism. If we all have empathy for each other it limits the harm we do. What they’re missing is not having it isn’t some kind of advantage, historically we are the most savage to those without empathy. It causes the mob to turn their empathy off and give in to their worst impulses. They think they’ll be the first ones in history to avoid that fate. They won’t.
Look at what JD “couch fucker” Vance wrote. Regarding potentially delaying the strike. He didn’t give any shits about the benefits or risks to lives, only the optics (oil prices going up), politics and his hatred for helping Europe.
Sure, clearing the shipping lanes is “good” but it’s more helpful to Europe “gross” so that’s a tick “con” colum.
Their “worst case scenarios” were all “it could look bad”.
Sic semper tyrannis
So yesterday they lied to congress more often than they told the truth? So many “I don’t recall” when in fact they could pull it up on their phone and know? Traitors to American families every one of them
Lying about sleeping with an intern - impeachment
Lying about sharing classified information on an insecure group chat - “he’s just a widdle guy 😢”
Especially bad when the whole “reason” for that impeachment was about investment fraud or something and only became about sex with intern after they couldn’t prove anything else.
Whitewater real estate scandal. Kenneth Starr was investigating him for that and when they couldn’t find anything actionable, they switched to the perjury and sex.
I’m not a fan of a President using their power to have an intern blow them (I don’t think there’s meaningful consent there), but it doesn’t compare to raping multiple women, peeping on teenage girls at Miss Teen America, and making comments about how you’d fuck your daughter if that was an option. The aristocrats!
Stop taking away women’s agency with this “meaningful consent” bullshit.
At the time I was in the Air Force, and a bunch of us were discussing this. Well over half the women at the table has the attitude of “Are you kidding? Of course, blowing the most powerful man in the world is hot as hell”.
Monica was obviously into it and an adult.
“Sure my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship,” Lewinsky wrote in 2014. “Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position.”
Lewinsky says she now sees that her relationship with Clinton was full of “inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege.”
“Now, at 44, I’m beginning (just beginning) to consider the implications of the power differentials that were so vast between a president and a White House intern,” she wrote. “I’m beginning to entertain the notion that in such a circumstance the idea of consent might well be rendered moot.”
@[email protected] didn’t take away Lewinski’s agency.
“Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position.”
And that’s what seals the deal for me. If Clinton gave a shit about Lewinsky, he would have at least tried to protect her somewhat in the fallout. He had fun, she had consequences.
People on the left treated her like shit - I guess it is further evidence that Bill Maher has always been awful. She got played on manipulated on both sides. Her reputation was trashed and she had a hard time finding work after - it destroyed her career and future.
This was a boss that took advantage of his power and authority to get a couple loads out, and then disposed of the person once they became our nation’s designated bearer of the scarlet letter.
I had sex with men who were much older than me when I was in my early twenties. The difference was that they weren’t my boss.
Dan Savage I think had something about “campground rules” too - if you are going to have sexual relations with a legal consenting adult you are significantly older than, it’s on you to use your greater experience to leave that partner better than you found them.
Are you a woman? How the fuck do you meaningfully say no to sex with the President?
Go fuck yourself with that “taking away women’s agency” bullshit. Bosses don’t get to sleep with employees. Teachers don’t get to sleep with students.
Monica got treated like shit for decade. That’s not “hot as hell” unless you’re a creepy misogynist that gets off on women being public humiliated.
I am in lots of group chats and don’t read every one of them to completion. So not all members of the chat knowing or remembering what happened is to be expected.
Yeah, but the second something juicy happens, we all scroll back and get caught up pretty quickly.
You are in group chats at this level? Because, I’m sure as fuck is not. And if I was, I’d read every message.
It’s so wild that they are very demanding of touchpoints up front but totally clueless about everything throughout the chat…
The Atlantic putting a paywall on this when they got the texts for free from a government handout is peak America…
Good journalism is very expensive to produce. You got to pay for it somehow.
Exactly why I used to subscribe to the Washington Post until Bezos wiped his ass with it. I’ll have to look into subscribing to The Atlantic now.
Yeah I’m considering dumping NYT too. I heard Reuters was a better ‘investment’. Please someone tell me if that’s wrong. I don’t want to support Billionaires.
PBS and NPR are pretty decent places to put your subscription moneys
Hopefully they survive this administration.
Wired “has been killing it” during the ongoing soft coup, to quote my journalist wife, and we’ve replaced our WaPo subscription with that. We can never dump NYT just because of the recipes.
I have been The Atlantic subscriber for about 5 years now. I think it has pretty great writers on staff. Their physical subscription is pretty cheap too.
This was a gift given to the Atlantic, though. I guess you gotta milk it for what it’s worth.
I’m not disagreeing in a general sense, but it’s funny to make that argument here when this info basically fell into the journalist’s lap. Very little actual journalism went into making this story possible
But think of how much money is going to be needed for the security detail this guy is gonna need for the foreseeable future. Or the costs of retaining legal representation to help him navigate through what is guaranteed to be an endless sea of investigations, frivilous lawsuits, etc. that the Trump administration is guaranteed to launch until something sticks.
I wouldn’t be getting on any planes any time in the near future if I were him either.
This story may have fallen into his lap, but it sure as hell wasn’t free.
JG got the texts for free but he’s probably gonna need someone watching his 6 now. And I’m pretty sure a lawyer is billing for helping them figure out how to publish the details and still avoid getting trapped into anything illegal, like naming the CIA agent.
Nah, the guilty parties already told congress nothing the texts did not contain classified material, so releasing them should be fine. It’s not like this administration would suddenly change its mind now, surely.
Government official work => no copyright?
Lmao Waltz saying he is going to try and figure out “how the heck he got into this room” and then the first text screenshot literally says “Michael Waltz added you to the group” is so goddamn hilarious to me.
Oh wow, proof it also has disappearing messages enabled.
I don’t know the legality of the messages being able to disappear, but the fact it’s enabled is a clear cut violation of the law.
For any other administration, this would be a catastrophe. For the Trump administration, it’s Thursday.
Oh, yeah, these guys sat in front of the Senate yesterday and flatly lied about all of it. At the end, one of the Democrats said that it wouldn’t be long before they had the transcripts, which would be compared to their testimony, analyzed for discrepancies, and legal options considered.
The MAGA Nazis aren’t really worried, they know there is no possible way that HitlerPig, Big Booby Bondi, or the Nazi legislature will do anything about it, and even if they did, HitlerPig would just pardon them, but at least it’s one more egregious national security lapse/lie that the Dems can beat them with forever.
IF the Dems ever show the guts to fight back.
This is some real old white guy, how did this get here i am not good with computer energy lmfao
Same vibe as that flat-earther in Behind the curve who ran this laser experiment that ended up proving the curvature of the earth and, upon seeing the evidence, went like “Huh, how about that, guess we gotta analyze the data some more to see what’s going on.”
The other thing I noticed up there is that it says “MAR added MAR”. Not sure if those are two people with the same Signal/Contact name/intials, or how that happened (as a Signal user, best guess is group link but that is also would be in the log at the top)
Not sure about legality, and not that the US military care, but confirming someone id, and that he is visiting a gf or family member, then bombing the house, sound like a war crime.
They will pay no penalties for this. Trump deserves to be hanged for treason but that hasn’t happened yet.
It is a crime and Israel is doing it too so Trump and the whole clown car just follows the lead. I am all for killing people who have done heinous shit but killing everybody in whole build just to get tom them is beyond fucked up.
We actually have munitions that don’t blow up too. We could literally have killed just him. This isn’t 20 years ago anymore.
My favorite quote is the one where he says it could leak lol
“…If this leaks we look indecisive”
Try incompetent beyond reason. This clown world is funny if people weren’t dying.
They waited till he entered his girlfriends apartment building?.. seems on point for the military. How many people died? I think someone said 53? And was that guy the only target? So many deaths for one dickhead…
So strange that no one is talking about this aspect of it.
Like I’m no war expert (obviously neither are they), but wouldn’t it cause far fewer causalities, and be far cheaper and easier, to just hide in the bushes and shoot the guy when he comes out? Since they know exactly where he is?
1 death vs 53, 1 bullet vs whatever TF it takes to level a building?
I think you meant attack expert, no war plan information was shared…
/s
You’re going to need a team of people, fly them in and out and make sure they get back home alive or it might hurt the president’s polls. It might be cheaper but it’s much riskier. Nobody in the US cares about those 52 other people so that doesn’t really matter to them.
I’m surprised they didn’t use drones.
Why kill one when you can kill a bunch. Rack it up to collateral damage then go have a beer at the bar. Maybe leak some more texts before your Telsa test drive.
See this as further proof they do not value human lives.
✊💣🔥
And their praying for the killers of so many innocent.
More risk to the US personnel or assets, and it would be a diplomatic and domestic incident if it came out that US troops or assets were operating in Yemen. It’s much safer to bomb them from a plane.
Also there’s the terror aspect where the US government presumably wants to cause chaos and fear explicitly to make continuing the blockade less appealing to both the Houthis and the people of Yemen.
We are currently clean on OPSEC
While actively leaking information lmao
Whatever… Exactly zero consequences…
Well, we all knew they would be damning as fuck and they are damning as fuck.
How they goaded him into releasing those damning as fuck texts instead of just saying “sorry, we fucked up” is beyond me but here we find ourselves.
Feel like they’re gonna throw Hegseth under the bus now.
Remember “covfefe?”
If they admit they fucked up, they look “weak” to their base, which expects “strong men.” Normal human traits like empathy and humility are anathema to these creeps.
Feel like they’re gonna throw Hegseth under the
busCybertruck now.It has been rebranded by public demand as the SwastiKKKar.
That would just break the Swastitruck, no?
So thankful we avoided GeNoCiDe JoE!
This is way better! …but then again, the world is only black or white… so maybe not. I guess the internet wanted this and so here we are.
This trope if pathetic, only Americans think this way. You need an actual opposition party then, not neoliberalism. Because fascism wins either with your way of thinking.
No politician offering universal healthcare, affordable housing, paid time off, better wages, resistance against genocide, etc. and etc. And youre mad at the voters? You see how fucked up that is?
Blaming others and voters will keep making your situation worse and worse, until they come after you as well. You could instead use your energy to protest in various ways or to support or help to challenge and create new parties or structures.
Keep dogging on your own citizens and youre gonna be next. Literally the playbook of Nazis. “First they came for…”
The Trump administration has a lot of catching up to do if they want to get even remotely close to the number of casualties and the staggering destruction caused by Genocide Joe.
covid much?
Covid is on the Trump administration now?
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It’s very telling of your character that you can’t have a conversation with someone who holds a different opinion without resorting to character attacks. I suggest you dig inwards to figure out why.
I also suggest you respect the community rules, as your message clearly violates the third one.
oh you’ve really got me pegged. well done.
Ah yes, some pro-Palestinians who didn’t cast their votes are the reason democrats lost.
This trope is getting old to be honest.
edit: don’t forget to vOtE bLuE!
The truth gets old, got it.
Keep coping, doing the ostrich will not save your country, neither will cardboards.
Couldn’t bring myself to let them jerk off of themselves.
The prevalent message is what counts.
Kinda like saying a handful of idiots pushed a narrative about Hillary’s server. More idiots bought that line but it was started by a small group.
The well known argument that the 90 millions eligible voters that did not vote were influenced by a few people protesting the US aiding and supporting a genocide.
very rational, very smart…Keep on deflecting instead of bettering your party, that will show the republicans currently destroying what is left of your society.
Why not both? It’s entirely possible to push for progressive policies while also acknowledging the role cultural influence and the internet holds…
Easier that being an asshole really.
Because it’s nonsensical? You people are trying to put all the blame of trump win on some vocal minority from the left.
This is dishonest, and quite disturbing. Especially seeing how frequent this argument keep popping up on every thread related to trump destroying your country.
It’s this rhetoric that plays perfectly into the class divide that the corporate asshats want everyone to fall for. “It’s your fault for not voting for the other corporate shill party!” Disregarding the fact that the main difference is one party is just mask off, and the other is mask on fascist. As many people rightly point out, the dems are controlled opposition. If they weren’t there would literally have been much more fight and pushback from them for the four years before Trump 2.0 (especially since they knew it was coming faaar in advance) rather then the milquetoast response we got from them, this was made quite obvious by the dems moving right in many policies and stumping with Cheney of all people. If these people really gave a shit about appealing to their constituents, they would’ve listened to the damn voters. This is all beside the point as modern American voting IS NOT determined by the voting public, but much more powerful interests. If you really believed your vote was effecting something in this, or any other election in the past 20+ years, I have a bridge to sell you in the Sahara.
You are making lot of sense, it’s like good cop / bad cop stuff. Democrats will play this game of redirecting the blame away from their lovely politicians but won’t hold them accountable for yet doing anything about anything…
It was a really educational thread, even makes me wondering if all those comments were organic, like some of these arguments were too stupid and detached to be real.
Fox News my summer child and people like you…
It’s everyone’s fault except mine
Don’t anger uniparty tards like that.
Jesus Christ, they’re just so fucking stupid. This is the kind of thing that would see employees of a major corporation fired in an instant, but I just know that these careless chucklefucks are going to be in my news feed for a while yet, possibly another four years so long as they keep currying the favour of Trump. This shit is pathetic, the rest of the world is embarrassed on behalf of American citizens for having to deal with this incompetence.
You make a good point. These traitors want to privatize the entire government, but no private sector company would accept the sort of behavior that is SOP for these MAGA Morons. None of them would survive their probabtionary period. That’s why they’re all in MAGA government, where competency is irrelevant.
Why only four years? What happens after then?
HitlerPig makes history with a third term.
Presumably, another candidate is elected to office. If not, it’s a coup, and he continues as “President For Life” like other dictators.
Bold of you to assume there will be more elections
Oh, there will be “elections”, just like how Russia has “elections”.
Hope springs eternal, and all that.
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Le epic troll of killing a bunch of people
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Whiskeyleaks going absolutely ham over here lmfao
Whiskey leaks is a hilar6name for this snafu. God I hate this timeline so much.
I was expecting truly stupendous levels of stupidity, and my expectations continue to be blown the fuck away on a more or less daily basis.
This is beyond bat shit nutz. We gotta throw these idiots in prison NOW. There’s so much more in those texts and 3 times more people involved. Also these dumb fucks lied under oath yesterday! Can’t be trusted, way under qualified and they’re territorial to this country. What happened to “common sense”? Always fucking Opposite Day with these clowns. Throw them in prison!
Ideally, yes, you’re right. But… gestures broadly at United States judiciary it doesn’t seem likely, unfortunately.
Time to start bringing the fight to them. https://www.mobilize.us/ Online voice doesn’t go as far. Start protesting.
Given that these are military-related crimes, would it not be the courts-martial that should be arresting and prosecuting them rather than the regular judiciary? I’m not American and I’m not sure how it works over there, but I did watch “A Few Good Men”
Not American either, but it shouldn’t be court martial offenses given that they’re not military officers, but civilians filling politically appointed positions. Court martial trials are for servicemembers.
