They’re not.

They’re on the side of wealth and power. And there’s a lot of overlap because extreme wealth is in the hands of a very small amount of people for them to lobby.

Even then, the two groups handles it very differently.

Neoliberals beg for crumbs, MAGA is willing to let everyone starve unless lil Donnie is the only one who gets two scoops. If everyone gets two scoops, they don’t want anyone to get anything because then there’s not a clear sign they’re better.

all the bickering we’ll have about how she’s not left enough or she’s the same as the couch fucker.

Progressives are the most reliable voting block for the Dem party, and have been for decades…

What wins and loses elections is the 1/3 of the country that doesn’t traditionally vote.

But we’re not going to see the same pressure on AOC to move left that weve seen on the Dem candidate back to 2012, because this will be the first time since 08 the candidate won’t be to the right of the voting base. Hell, the last Dem candidates have been to the right of the general populace even.

Obviously some people will want more, but they’ll be statistically insignificant.

<sigh> I wish we had ranked choice voting…

We’ll have a fair primary this time, one that will let every state vote. And if people bomb at first they’ll drop. It’s not the same as simultaneous RCV nationwide for a primary, and I hope someday we’ll get that.

But honestly, most problems with the party were solved last year in the chair election. Billionaire owned media just isn’t gonna talk about.

You don’t know what “neoliberal” means and your “both sides” bullshit has brought about two Trump presidencies.

Oh yeah totally…

The reason trump got elected twice wasn’t we kept running people with zero charisma and policy significantly to the right of the Dem voter base…

It’s because some people online had the outright gall to talk about it, if they’d have just maintained the lie, maybe enough people would have fell for the lies!

/S

Doesn’t matter if she’s ready, doesn’t matter if she even wants to be president

The next presidential is a “stars align” election and we can be deep in some FDR level shit in a decade because of it

It doesn’t need to be AOC, but it’ll be easier for her than anyone else

And maga won’t say anything about her they didn’t say about Hillary, Biden, or Harris. So it doesn’t matter what they’d say, and Obama showed us we don’t need neoliberals to win elections if we have a candidate with any measurable charisma.

So the only “downside” would be the neoliberals becoming Republicans again, which would start moderating that side of the aisle again.

Doesn’t matter if they want to be useless, worst case scenario they’re going to be a lesson to the rest of the neoliberals that this fight isn’t optional.

They won’t lead, they’re not following protestors, and just by existing in office they’re refusing to get out of the way for people who will use what governor and mayors have at their disposal.

They wouldnt do any of the three to help us, but if it becomes clear they’re go down for shit like this even though they haven’t actually done anything…

Self preservation will at least get them out of the way and states/cities can get better representation that will fight for them. We don’t have to wait for midterms to solidify the Dem party, the neoliberals can just run away to their oligarchs now and save time.

If that was true, then why is it so hard to find a picture/video of ice with a single visibly armed protester in view?

Like, by your logic they’d be looking for it, yet I’ve been trying and failing to find an example of them just existing with 100 yards of an armed protestor…

And I can’t understand why people are shocked ICE agents shit and run when they see a gun.

There’s an alternative…

It’s super easy, would require zero bloodshed.

Armed protest.

I’ve never seen a cop shoot a protester when other protestors were in eyeshot with rifles.

I’ve never even seen ICE where a protestor is visibly armed, because if they see that, they fucking leave.

The reason shit is so bad is because ICE knows they’ll never be held accountable in court. Literally the only way they believe they could ever face any consequences is if someone shoots them in the moment. And rather than behave when they see armed protestors, they just go to where no one is armed.

So fuck it, this Merica. Carry a big scary fuck off rifle.

I guarantee ICE won’t run up on you. And if everywhere they went people showed up with rifles, they’d stop going places all together.

Plaintiff discovered messages which included a picture of Defendant wrapped in a towel; Defendant offered to help Mr. Ammel work through his mental health challenges and Mr. Ammel agreed; Mr. Ammel stated to Defendant he was intimidated by her and Defendant asked why because she only wants to be intimidating to her opponents, not to people she likes; Defendant suggested for Mr. Ammel to bring MDMA drugs on a work trip so that she could guide him through a psychedelic experience.

Federal Judge Richard Stearns said he appreciated the government acknowledging the error, calling it a “tragic” bureaucratic mistake. But he appeared to rule out holding the government in contempt, noting the violation did not appear intentional. He also questioned whether he has jurisdiction over the case.

“It might not be anybody’s fault, but she was the victim of it,” Stearns said, adding at one point that Lopez Belloza could explore applying for a student visa.

It 100% was someone’s fault, but the federal legal system won’t hold them accountable.

And if state legal systems won’t hold them accountable either, that leaves the system we had before legal systems, and the rich and powerful really doesn’t want the 99.99% of society to come to the conclusion that’s what it takes, because mobs tend to focus on revenge more than actual justice…

But revenge is better than nothing, and nothing is what we’re getting from the people we agreed should have a monopoly on justice and violence.

Portalad shows how pacific protests are efficient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Portland_shooting

This is what the “don’t react” people don’t understand.

If he’s gonna declare martial law and take over blue states to cancel their elections; it doesn’t matter if we react or not, they’re doing it anyways.

ICE is murdering people left and right, and trump is using the fact that protesters are being shot and killed as justification.

People think MLK strategy alone will work, but he was very vocal that it wouldn’t have without Malcolm making the only other option violence. Passisive resistance doesn’t work when the other option for the abusuers is “just keep abusing me bro, it’s cool”.

Passive resistance only works when the only two options are:

1. Shit gets better peacefully

2. Shit gets better violently

We can’t let them the have the option of:

3. Shit stays the same

Eh, there’s repost bots, and people who clearly manually run comments thru an AI to get a response, but they tend to give up after 2-3 replies. And, well it’s obvious when it switches from nonsensical and polite, to just jr high level bigoted insults with zero punctuation.

But it’s not like there’s unsupervised chatbots running around like reddit, at least from what I’ve seen.

Bill Clinton, lil Bush, and trump were all born in 1946, Biden in 1942.

With the exception of Obama (1961) it’s pretty fucking ridiculous we just keep moving the bar up for what an acceptable age is to placitate boomers.

It was bad enough 30 years ago before the dementia set in.

Not really…

Our one advantage was we were one of a handful of industrialized nations whose manufacturing power wasn’t bombed to hell and back.

Plus, we still sent a shitton of young men to die, so after the war we had a small labor pool which is why factory workers could get a job at 16 and retire at 60 with a full pension.

But our population rebounded, workers became cheap, and then we just sent all of our manufacturing overseas to help corporate profits.

This was always going to happen eventually, it seems sudden but the process has been going on for 40 years at least. Like, it’s been ending for as long as it was going on at this point, there’s nothing quick about it.

Random trivia:

In WW2 Greenland rejected Danish sovereignty because the nazis had captured the Danish government.

The US stepped up and filled the vacuum so that Canada, Norway, or anyone else would claim it, then just let them go back to the Danes after WW2.

Anyways, that’s why Greenland has been so cool with US military bases, and we just threw all of that goodwill away.

This will result in a lower US presence over there for decades, if it ever comes back.

Amazing how people who accuse progressives of not knowing how stuff works or whatever always forget that little detail

The sad part is, Ive explained it to them before.

I didn’t recognize them at first, but I blocked them at least once under that same user name from a different instance.

Like, they were just following me around calling me a commie for a while:

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=14783121

Looks like when they got banned from lemmy.ml, they suddenly wanted to make a new account for unrelated reasons.

It always starts out semi-rational, but when you respond rationally and calmly they immediately start making maga level insults. It’s probably why they have to keep making so many accounts.

Yes, a Democrat getting something through a 50/50 Senate is fucking impossible and has been for nearly two decades.

Then why did Biden say he could get the dem platform thru a Republican majority Senate if he was elected?

Like, let’s get that part cleared up, if it’s impossible as you say then Biden was either lying his ass off, or he was already so far gone mentally he really believed it.

In either case, how are you still insisting he is blameless?

Edit:

From 12/25/20

President-elect Joe Biden expressed optimism that he will be able to work with Republicans because of his years working alongside them, despite a sharply divided Congress.

“My leverage is, every senior Republican knows I’ve never once, ever, misled them,” Biden said on a telephone call Wednesday with several columnists, according to The New York Times. “I’ll never publicly embarrass them.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/531661-biden-on-working-with-senate-republicans-ill-never-publicly-embarrass-them/

Even into 2022

Speaking at a White House news conference, Biden vowed to work with Republicans and said he understood voters are frustrated despite Democrats’ surprisingly competitive campaign.

“The American people have made clear, I think, that they expect Republicans to be prepared to work with me as well,” Biden said. He also reiterated his intention to run for re-election in 2024 and said he would make a final decision early next year.

A White House official said Biden spoke by phone on Wednesday with Republican House leader Kevin McCarthy, who would be the leading candidate for House speaker if Republicans win a majority.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/democrats-look-curb-losses-republicans-us-congress-2022-11-09/

If it’s so obvious, why didn’t Biden notice?

Dems had no real power the entire administration

Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/117th_United_States_Congress

50/50 senate and a house majority for two years…

That wasn’t enough for the guy who campaigned as the “Senate whisperer” who could get Republicans on board for compromise long before we dreamed of a 50/50 split?

Are you telling me that asking Biden to get something thru a 50/50 Senate was impossible?

Then why the fuck did he lie so much about what he could do, and why aren’t you upset with him?

Like, logically you’re still saying it’s his fault.

Rodney King was 35 years ago…

And if you keep going back further, shit keeps getting worse.

To be clear tho, the problem was the moderate wing controlling the party, and that’s already been solved with the last DNC chair election. And if a nonbiased primary gets us a progressive, they get to name the DNC chair the next four years.

Shit was real bad during the great depression, but that’s what it took to get “moderate” voters onboard with progress. It’s why incremental improvement never works, once it’s “good enough” for one person, they stop fighting for what others want, even tho it took those other people to get “good enough” for the people who abandon them.

It’s one of the biggest reasons for our shitty cyclic history, people unwilling to finish the fight once personally appeased.

Yeah…

But that’s been true for a long time.

We tried convincing “moderates” that back when Biden was in office and we could fix shit.

But Biden wouldn’t, and now that shit is bad for suburban white moms too, suddenly it’s a brand new issue.

Like, great you finally realized it, but it would have been best if you didn’t ignore everyone telling you that your entire life.

Because then you could have helped us fix shit before it was bad for you personally

At the very least, learn that lesson moving forward:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came