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    Remember when Obama decided that “moving on” was more important than prosecuting the Bush admin for war crimes? There won’t ever be any consequences for these people unless we find a way to distribute them ourselves.

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      Remember when Obama continued committing war crimes like he was the 3rd and 4th terms of the bush administration? It was in his best interest not to prosecute, the precedence would have been inconvenient for him.

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    Then what will be the consequences? I don’t give a fuck that these people are breaking the law if nothing is going to be DONE about it. I want a headline that says Trump and his cronies are to be prosecuted. Not might be! ARE! and I want the trial to happen quickly, not be dragged out for four years, by which time America has irreversibly descendended into fascism!

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      Get involved in your community. Learn who runs your town, your county, your school district, your state.

      Find out who represents what, spend a few hours a week reading and sharing info on local/neighborhood social media, volunteer if you really have the time and drive to make changes. Even just hold a yard sale and get to know your neighbors if you live in that kind of environment.

      The reason nobody is paying attention to the law is we stopped paying attention to the people who are supposed to uphold it. We only tune in every 4 years when the circus comes to town, meanwhile the entire fetid clownshow is propped up on a foundation of local representatives and judges and boards of people who largely run uncontested or are installed by companies, not groups of people.

      They are leveraging our short attention spans to vote in people who will favor corporate interests over law, and those corporations? they will work harder to erode our attention even further. We can fix this, but it has to start at home.

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      Disbarred and indicted is a very real possibility for a Trump associated lawyer. I lost count how many times that happened

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    There have been dozens, if not more, of impeachable offenses Trump has committed and they don’t care. Why would they care about this, which helps their dear leader?

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      Because no one cares about Pam Bondi, but the American people care about the Epstein files

      Who’s going to defend her? She made the administration look bad while also pissing off the public

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        In n particular, MAGA care about the Epstein files. This is a major crack in their coalition. They spent years throwing around conspiracy theories about pedophile cults secretly running the world. They are obsessed with the Epstein files, and the more Trump tries to obfuscate their contents, the more they have to start wondering what his skin in the game is. We’re already seeing it happen with people like MTG publicly turning on him.

        It’s still a cult. They don’t want to suspect dear leader of anything. But the more he works to conceal stuff, the more they’re trapped between two things they hold at absolute truths. One of them has to give eventually.

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        Who’s going to defend her?

        More pressing, who is going to prosecute her? To date, I’ve seen zero impulse under any prior administration to prosecute the wrongdoing of outgoing officials.

        The closest case has been the half assed effort to get Leticia James on… misreporting a mortgage statement?

        Nobody at the highest levels of government and business actually want to fuck with one another. It is always and forever punching down on the plebs.

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          Congress. They can just impeach her

          I mean she could refuse to leave, but then she’d be committing all sorts of crimes on a daily basis

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            I mean she could refuse to leave, but then she’d be committing all sorts of crimes on a daily basis.

            Now Trump definitely won’t fire her. He loves criminals who do crimes for him.

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              No, Trump loves Trump. Everyone else is useful until they’re not, at which point they get thrown under the bus or conveniently commit suicide.

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              No he doesn’t… He doesn’t give a shit about them. He’s abandoned so many loyalists it’s crazy

              He talks shit about them even. He relishes when they get punished in his name

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              Yes, but really no.

              They impeached him, which is the name of the procedure to remove an official from office, but then they didn’t have the Senate votes to remove him from office

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                  Us, right now?

                  This isn’t a unicorn. Literally the entire Senate voted to release the Epstein files, that unanimously passed law in the Senate was not followed

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    Unimpeachable: Republicans control too many seats to ever allow successful impeachment (even less conviction) of any of their loyal gang members.

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      This needs to be hammered home every time people meme about writing strongly worded letters.

      They literarily have NO POWER.

      That said, if Democrats take back power and do not fully prosecute these fuckers there needs to be riots.

      Check that, we’ve seen Biden, we KNOW centrist Democrats won’t do shit.

      We need leftist flooding the primaries and sweeping out the old Democratic guard.

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        I’m a school bus driver and one time I was chewing out some misbehaving kids. At one point I said “if you guys don’t stop I’m going to report you to the principal and he’s going to, uh, give you a stern talking-to” and I just started laughing because it was so pathetic. The Repubs are like the kids on my bus: they know they can do whatever they like and nobody’s going to be able to do anything about it.

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    And not shit will ever happen about it. More news at 5!

    It just gets so exhausting. Nothing will happen. No one will be held accountable. Ever. USA USA USA!!!

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      Nothing will ever change until the American people take to the streets and demand it. Stop waiting for someone else to fix it. They won’t.

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        Ah yes how do you propose they do that women and children in the back so they get shot and killed last?

        Or what’s your suggestion?

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          Nobody is gunning down Americans, the outcome of that is the right and left uniting to topple the US government or at least to remove every representative from power, everyone knows this. US’s “fierce individualism” means there is always a precarious risk of going too far. This is why the powers that be have worked so fucking hard to divide us and make us afraid of each other and the “other side.”

          That said, the marches are useless without political action to capitalize on the momentum.

          Mussolini was not captured and executed by a plucky band of rebels who fought the Italian government. He was handed over to opposition forces BY the government when they realized that they could no longer sustain the current system. The king personally arrested him.

          Nations are huge. They don’t turn on a dime, and you need politics to change things. A lot of leftists have a very dumb notion of how this needs to happen, and think that we can “do our own Jan 6th” and it will somehow work. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.

          We march, we mobilize, we organize, but we start at home, in your community, in your town or city, and we spread it through the state. We share information and vote in actual representatives for seats that largely go uncontested because people only care about democracy every four years when the circus comes to town. Vote out the current DNC stooges, vote out the sitting nobodies who want to preserve the status-quo, vote out the people who can’t say anything bad about the companies paying them. If we do that, AND march and protest, we take the country back. Right now though it’s plenty hard enough to get someone to finish reading a comment this long, much less go research who’s up for reelection in their school board or what’s the ruling history of their local judges.

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            Are you aware of Kent State or the Detroit riots? They have shot and killed protestors before and no one banded together then and no one will band together now.

            Also refer to how they have DEA and friends use their facial recognition on protestors all the time and then show up at your house with bogus charges.

            Its easy to say do something from an armchair and I feel you, I wish we could do something

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              1967 is a long way off from where we are now with a live camera feed in everyone’s pocket. That happened in a time where we were fresh out of segregation and most people read it as a “black problem” and moved on. While we still have a lot of division today, it’s not the same. We have growing momentum already with massive marches and protests, and division already happening within the government and administration.

              The events where the US government has shot down protestors has paved the way for where we are now, those were large black marks on history that the government does not want to repeat, the powers that be are terrified of someone broadcasting a similar event. The desire to preserve the status-quo comes from a much higher power, the now-metastasized force of corporate power that wants people divided enough to not band together, but not so much that the system breaks and people stop buying shit.

              Otherwise, they would have done it already. They want to so badly, they just want it to be a perfect situation where it appears like some organized antifa or hispanic terrorist group appear like organized insurgents, and so far that hasn’t happened because those kinds of groups don’t actually exist and we’re not in a war with insurgents.

              All that said, I do not think our answer is going to be any kind of armed assault on DC. There will be no charismatic leader that waves the flag of revolution, we will not have that storybook ending. It’s the fantasy of children who can’t imagine or grasp the complexity and actual systemic challenge of changing the course of an entire nation with hundreds of millions of people.

              Even if we succeeded, we would still have to live next to the millions of people who didn’t want us to do a coup, and so far I haven’t met a single progressive/leftist who has an answer for what to do about that.

              Its easy to say do something from an armchair and I feel you, I wish we could do something

              That’s what I am saying, and I am speaking from very much a NOT armchair place on this, I’ve done my time on asphalt. And you can do community organizing from your chair. But again, it takes discomfort, exposure to condemnation from people who don’t agree with your takes, people paid to squash messaging from anyone revealing dark stains on a local candidates career and so on.

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          Sustained protests have changed a lot in the past few years. You can ask France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, The Netherlands, Serbia, Nepal, South Korea did it with varying degrees of success.

          Maybe even the Home of the Brave could do it. Don’t let your pessimism get in your way.

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            It’s much harder to protest in the US since it’s so fucking big. All those countries you mentioned are tiny land mass compared to the US, so any US protests always seem so spread out.

            I’m not against protest, just saying it’s not 1 to 1.

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              Why does that matter? Protest in your home town. The No Kings protests were held all across the country. No one had to travel anywhere.

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            Bulgaria’s far-right government, Madagascar, Indonesia very recently, Myanmar’s still ongoing.

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    Until the dems control Congress with a healthy majority, nobody in this administration will face accountability.

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      Even after dems have healthy majority these people won’t face backlash.

      It’s two hands of the same body. They’re working together.

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      I don’t believe the democrats will prosecute these people either. The only way I see justice ever being done is if there’s a violent revolution or a war