I mean, theoretically all original anonymous members are co-founders

It’s nebulous, bu at some point t it went from an idea to a hacktivist affiliation. Anyone who got on board with the idea before they did anything could be fairly called a co-founder

Well for now, the courts aren’t giving up their power like Congress

So if he doesn’t show up, they’re going to rule against him and take it out of his bank account

Wait, did he figure out how security clearances work finally or did he just declare it on truth social?

The core problem is - Teslas suck. They’re not the best, they’re not the cheapest, they’re not the safest or most reliable, and they don’t have the most features. There’s now electric cars out there that beat them in every category

I mean it’s still insanely overvalued. It’s a car manufacturer priced like a tech giant - the stock is so high because of hopes they’ll be the ones to crack true full self driving, human level robotics, or produce batteries at some insane scale

They’re so behind and have lost so much trust on all those fronts that they’d need to actually do it for the stock to pay out. But they’re no longer the best cheap electric cars, their self driving features are some of the worst because they went all in on visual only, and there’s many companies worlds ahead of them on robotics automation. Even their safety is so bad countries easily banned them once musk’s reputation tanked

Plus, musk would have to divest or have his shares called in to fully separate him… Either of which means the stock tanks or already has tanked

Because they’re watching mainstream news, which even tiptoes around the tarrifs and doesn’t broadcast Trump’s daily interviews unless a clip makes him look good. They really just know the government is getting cut and that we’ve started a trade war with (checks notes) everyone

This is going to change when effects of his policies actually start to land - so far we’re looking at disastrous moves in horror, but they’re getting a very toned down snapshot through a rose colored lens

Nah, you just start deputizing more effective people. Like ex special forces

They can deputize citizens to carry out the orders too

No, Bernie is solid - he compromises, but he isn’t compromised

He’s a progressive…a very moderate one, but he’s in between where we are and where we should be, and he has been there his entire career

Let them have the democratic party, they’re already on the right and they’ve captured the GOP… Trouble is, the GOP is gone - it’s now MAGA

We just need a party to coallese on the left, and the cycle will turn. It’s happened before, it’ll happen again, because a two party system is dumb

I’m hoping Bernie has the gas left in the tank to set it up, draw away actually progressive Democrats, and rally the public. Because I don’t know who else could do it in time

That’s why you sue doge, specifically if you can, otherwise supoena them as much as possible. They’re young and arrogant, they’re going to perjur themselves and spill things they shouldn’t… Then daddy Elon will get pissed and lash out at someone, and regardless it’ll take time and energy away from their efforts to destroy the government

You have to fight on every front. You don’t just give it to them

No, we definitely want geniuses who find the work boring, like Einstein. Think of all they could accomplish when they’re stuck in a tower for long shifts of unstimulating work, think of all the math, art, and science they could produce sounds of planes crashing in the background

You mean there’s no evidence it was more rigged than usual… There’s evidence of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and sketchiness without real evidence

But ultimately, I think they’re talking about the Democrats - even now they’re talking about moving further right and working with Republicans, they actively oppose the change the people are demanding. They want to fight harder against the left, to ignore their supporters more, to get more in bed with the oligarchs

What about free healthcare? What about fixing housing? What about breaking up monopolies? What about our rights? It’s like everything that matters is totally off the table

No… Well maybe, but they have something far more important to be doing - they should sue

Know what the goal of nonviolent resitance is? To get arrested, so you can get standing to sue. You can then challenge the law, over and over, until you find cracks. You can make them put affidavits on record.

And more importantly, you can drain resources. Tie up the courts, drain the budget, exhaust their lawyers. Make them deal with the work of going through endless depositions

All that other stuff is great… But this is a major avenue of attack, and they’ve got no idea what they’re in for

We like to forget, but civil rights weren’t a popular idea - the public being upset at the scale of disruption was what forced the white house to act back then. It might take a while, they might try to ignore the courts, but the bill will come due eventually

Oh it’s worse.

They’re not trying to figure it out as they go, they’ve drank the coolaid.

Musk and Trump were born into financial empires, everything they do fails but the people scrambling to pick up the pieces behind them got them huge wins and minimized loses

After a lifetime of this, their arrogance has grown to the point they’ve seen the people cleaning up after them as an obstacle. And now they’ve successfully found cultists willing to carry out their orders directly without question, there’s no longer layers of people saying “boss is demanding this, how can we make it not disasterous?”

More than anything, they just seem confused why people are getting so angry at them for doing what they’ve always done more effectively

Ah, fair enough. Out of curiosity, what’s the context?

I’m of two minds on that… On one hand, yes, this is closing one of the final relief valves

On the other hand, this is a powerful way to manufacture consent… They get to control what people get to talk and what they hear. They can put their plants to ask questions, and a lot of people will buy that the majority supports Trump and Musk, which was never really true and will only become less true

Citation needed. He definitely holds the record for spewing shit, but nearly every literal thing that comes out of his is a lie and I think he used to talk a lot faster

Although if we account for how shitty the shit is, I could believe it

They censored mainstream media. They boost and censor mainstream social media. They lie constantly, so fast we can’t keep up. The Democrats were neo liberals, they seemed like they were going to shift more progressive but now they’re becoming neoconservatives

Lobbyists write the laws they may tweak before voting on. The Democrats let the conservatives stack the court, while refusing to do the same

The electorial college, voter suppression, and “it’s whatever we give you or the orange guy who wants to destroy the country” has stolen our power

The system is rigged. Almost none of us want this, not just what’s happening now, but the destruction of the middle class, the impossibility of housing, the enshitification of everything, healthcare that cripples you to use (if insurance doesn’t just delay until you’re also physically crippled)

No, this isn’t us. We’re not in control, our democracy has been hacked by a small number of very powerful people. We have to fix it - but this isn’t our fault

We’ve been railroaded if not cheated every step of the way. It’s not our fault, though it is our responsibility