The DOJ removed already-public Epstein files in defiance of a disclosure statute, prompting bipartisan outrage and impeachment talk from the law’s authors.
Nobody is gunning down Americans, the outcome of that is the right and left uniting to topple the US government or at least to remove every representative from power, everyone knows this. US’s “fierce individualism” means there is always a precarious risk of going too far. This is why the powers that be have worked so fucking hard to divide us and make us afraid of each other and the “other side.”
That said, the marches are useless without political action to capitalize on the momentum.
Mussolini was not captured and executed by a plucky band of rebels who fought the Italian government. He was handed over to opposition forces BY the government when they realized that they could no longer sustain the current system. The king personally arrested him.
Nations are huge. They don’t turn on a dime, and you need politics to change things. A lot of leftists have a very dumb notion of how this needs to happen, and think that we can “do our own Jan 6th” and it will somehow work. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.
We march, we mobilize, we organize, but we start at home, in your community, in your town or city, and we spread it through the state. We share information and vote in actual representatives for seats that largely go uncontested because people only care about democracy every four years when the circus comes to town. Vote out the current DNC stooges, vote out the sitting nobodies who want to preserve the status-quo, vote out the people who can’t say anything bad about the companies paying them. If we do that, AND march and protest, we take the country back. Right now though it’s plenty hard enough to get someone to finish reading a comment this long, much less go research who’s up for reelection in their school board or what’s the ruling history of their local judges.
Are you aware of Kent State or the Detroit riots? They have shot and killed protestors before and no one banded together then and no one will band together now.
Also refer to how they have DEA and friends use their facial recognition on protestors all the time and then show up at your house with bogus charges.
Its easy to say do something from an armchair and I feel you, I wish we could do something
1967 is a long way off from where we are now with a live camera feed in everyone’s pocket. That happened in a time where we were fresh out of segregation and most people read it as a “black problem” and moved on. While we still have a lot of division today, it’s not the same. We have growing momentum already with massive marches and protests, and division already happening within the government and administration.
The events where the US government has shot down protestors has paved the way for where we are now, those were large black marks on history that the government does not want to repeat, the powers that be are terrified of someone broadcasting a similar event. The desire to preserve the status-quo comes from a much higher power, the now-metastasized force of corporate power that wants people divided enough to not band together, but not so much that the system breaks and people stop buying shit.
Otherwise, they would have done it already. They want to so badly, they just want it to be a perfect situation where it appears like some organized antifa or hispanic terrorist group appear like organized insurgents, and so far that hasn’t happened because those kinds of groups don’t actually exist and we’re not in a war with insurgents.
All that said, I do not think our answer is going to be any kind of armed assault on DC. There will be no charismatic leader that waves the flag of revolution, we will not have that storybook ending. It’s the fantasy of children who can’t imagine or grasp the complexity and actual systemic challenge of changing the course of an entire nation with hundreds of millions of people.
Even if we succeeded, we would still have to live next to the millions of people who didn’t want us to do a coup, and so far I haven’t met a single progressive/leftist who has an answer for what to do about that.
Its easy to say do something from an armchair and I feel you, I wish we could do something
That’s what I am saying, and I am speaking from very much a NOT armchair place on this, I’ve done my time on asphalt. And you can do community organizing from your chair. But again, it takes discomfort, exposure to condemnation from people who don’t agree with your takes, people paid to squash messaging from anyone revealing dark stains on a local candidates career and so on.
Sustained protests have changed a lot in the past few years. You can ask France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, The Netherlands, Serbia, Nepal, South Korea did it with varying degrees of success.
Maybe even the Home of the Brave could do it. Don’t let your pessimism get in your way.
It’s much harder to protest in the US since it’s so fucking big. All those countries you mentioned are tiny land mass compared to the US, so any US protests always seem so spread out.
I’m not against protest, just saying it’s not 1 to 1.
Nothing will ever change until the American people take to the streets and demand it. Stop waiting for someone else to fix it. They won’t.
Ah yes how do you propose they do that women and children in the back so they get shot and killed last?
Or what’s your suggestion?
Nobody is gunning down Americans, the outcome of that is the right and left uniting to topple the US government or at least to remove every representative from power, everyone knows this. US’s “fierce individualism” means there is always a precarious risk of going too far. This is why the powers that be have worked so fucking hard to divide us and make us afraid of each other and the “other side.”
That said, the marches are useless without political action to capitalize on the momentum.
Mussolini was not captured and executed by a plucky band of rebels who fought the Italian government. He was handed over to opposition forces BY the government when they realized that they could no longer sustain the current system. The king personally arrested him.
Nations are huge. They don’t turn on a dime, and you need politics to change things. A lot of leftists have a very dumb notion of how this needs to happen, and think that we can “do our own Jan 6th” and it will somehow work. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.
We march, we mobilize, we organize, but we start at home, in your community, in your town or city, and we spread it through the state. We share information and vote in actual representatives for seats that largely go uncontested because people only care about democracy every four years when the circus comes to town. Vote out the current DNC stooges, vote out the sitting nobodies who want to preserve the status-quo, vote out the people who can’t say anything bad about the companies paying them. If we do that, AND march and protest, we take the country back. Right now though it’s plenty hard enough to get someone to finish reading a comment this long, much less go research who’s up for reelection in their school board or what’s the ruling history of their local judges.
Are you aware of Kent State or the Detroit riots? They have shot and killed protestors before and no one banded together then and no one will band together now.
Also refer to how they have DEA and friends use their facial recognition on protestors all the time and then show up at your house with bogus charges.
Its easy to say do something from an armchair and I feel you, I wish we could do something
1967 is a long way off from where we are now with a live camera feed in everyone’s pocket. That happened in a time where we were fresh out of segregation and most people read it as a “black problem” and moved on. While we still have a lot of division today, it’s not the same. We have growing momentum already with massive marches and protests, and division already happening within the government and administration.
The events where the US government has shot down protestors has paved the way for where we are now, those were large black marks on history that the government does not want to repeat, the powers that be are terrified of someone broadcasting a similar event. The desire to preserve the status-quo comes from a much higher power, the now-metastasized force of corporate power that wants people divided enough to not band together, but not so much that the system breaks and people stop buying shit.
Otherwise, they would have done it already. They want to so badly, they just want it to be a perfect situation where it appears like some organized antifa or hispanic terrorist group appear like organized insurgents, and so far that hasn’t happened because those kinds of groups don’t actually exist and we’re not in a war with insurgents.
All that said, I do not think our answer is going to be any kind of armed assault on DC. There will be no charismatic leader that waves the flag of revolution, we will not have that storybook ending. It’s the fantasy of children who can’t imagine or grasp the complexity and actual systemic challenge of changing the course of an entire nation with hundreds of millions of people.
Even if we succeeded, we would still have to live next to the millions of people who didn’t want us to do a coup, and so far I haven’t met a single progressive/leftist who has an answer for what to do about that.
That’s what I am saying, and I am speaking from very much a NOT armchair place on this, I’ve done my time on asphalt. And you can do community organizing from your chair. But again, it takes discomfort, exposure to condemnation from people who don’t agree with your takes, people paid to squash messaging from anyone revealing dark stains on a local candidates career and so on.
Sustained protests have changed a lot in the past few years. You can ask France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, The Netherlands, Serbia, Nepal, South Korea did it with varying degrees of success.
Maybe even the Home of the Brave could do it. Don’t let your pessimism get in your way.
It’s much harder to protest in the US since it’s so fucking big. All those countries you mentioned are tiny land mass compared to the US, so any US protests always seem so spread out.
I’m not against protest, just saying it’s not 1 to 1.
Why does that matter? Protest in your home town. The No Kings protests were held all across the country. No one had to travel anywhere.
Bulgaria’s far-right government, Madagascar, Indonesia very recently, Myanmar’s still ongoing.