I’m glad congressional Democrats are finally taking steps to deal with their sclerotic, ineffective and increasingly out-of-touch leadership and building a future with younger—oh wait.
The thing that made me so pessimistic about the future of this country was when I learned that the people who advised Hillary’s 2016 campaign were still advising Harris’ 2024 campaign. They failed multiple times and the consequences have been catastrophic, but they held on to their positions anyway. I have no reason to think they won’t be back in 2028, because the people who have a say in who gets party leadership are people selected by the old leadership. We need a borderline hostile takeover of the Democrat party, and after Trump did it to the Republicans, the existing powers in the Democrat party only entrenched themselves further.
the people who advised Hillary’s 2016 campaign were still advising Harris’ 2024 campaign.
And still running the DNC.
Biden and Kamala inherited everything from Hillary, the people behind the scenes are the same, and are still likely listening to Hillary
She’s like our Dick Cheney
I’d almost believe that Hillary ordered her people to sabotage the campaign if it wasn’t the exact same “centrist” message the establishment Dems have been pushing since Carter.
She wouldn’t have needed too.
The party burns money at an insane rate, and only gets money thru the “victory fund” which (I’m not even exaggerating) is money laundering.
They’ve been doing it since 2015, it’s the status quo now.
Whoever has the keys to that donation machine is the DNC, because they control the money. And because the reason the VF can take so much,his it’s taking the limit for state parties they defacto control the state party. If a state doesn’t join the agreement, the DNC doesn’t support that state. We only have numbers for 2016, but those states average less than 0.5% of what the DNC was supposed to have paid.
We’ll see what happens at the 2/2/25 DNC chair election, there’s actually a decent chance we keep someone good. But if they get another money hungry neoliberal in there, we have to accept the people who run the DNC no longer represent Dem voters and they’re unwilling to listen. We’ll have three years before the next primary starts winding up, and it may be finally time to push a third party.
They failed multiple times and the consequences have been catastrophic,
They succeeded in the only thing that matters to Democratic leadership: They kept a progressive from winning the nomination.
The mayor from Jaws 1 was still the mayor in Jaws 2.
The future of this country is not in the hands of the Democratic party if this is the way of things.
Leadership Democrats: Fumble the ball for three downs, then throws an interception
“Well, its no longer my fault if the opposition scores.”
The democrats still think the populace is smart enough to look at the alternative and choose the less-worse option.
The country proves them wrong at every turn.
The democrats still think the populace is smart enough to look at the alternative and choose the less-worse option.
The problem is this attitude and the literally brain dead take that this is in any way strategic voting.
Democrats are a “barely, sometimes maybe not, less-worse option”. And they get to stay that way by constantly being presented as the “less-worse” option. But they aren’t. They are the enablers of the “more-worse” option every time. They sell out their base at every turn.
The last guy was in his 80s…
Shit like this (Pelosi putting her thumb on the scale) is why people are questioning if they’ll ever vote Democrat again.
if trump keeps his promise- and this is one time I actually believe him- we won’t ever have to vote democrat again!
(because he’ll fuck over democracy and make that illegal.)
I don’t see an alternative and it’s making me hate democracy.
I don’t see an alternative
I want to point out how this (and I’m not doing this to single it you out, but you offer an example example of how a) lack of imagination about what is possible, is the precise kind of lack of vision that brought people to the conclusion that we “had” to support Biden in the primary, because you “can’t challenge an incumbent”: they were wrong. His brain was melting out of his ears and the establishment was telling you to not believe your lying eyes and ears. Authority takes advantage of this cynicisim and abuses you with it.
Its the kind of mindset that results in “Kamala has to be the nominee”, because she’s the only viable option; turns out, she wasn’t viable. We were told she had to turn to the right, to “get centrists”; turns out, there were no centrists. We were told her campaigning with Liz Cheney was 8d chess because she’ll get “never Trump Republicans”. How’d that work out.
We’ve been conditioned into a cynical fatalism, one that is truly not borne out by reality: it does not predict the future. I can not make that point any more emphatically. This toxic fatalism is in-opposition to the results we have on hand. New ways are possible, constantly. I have no problem with either cynicism or fatalism. However, I do have a problem with a world view being expressed which doesn’t predict future states of the world. BNMW, Blue Maga, the cynical fatalists who had elevated themselves into moderators of the Democratic process this election cycle: their cynical reductive fatalism is why Democrats can’t do better. Not because it isn’t possible, but because they refuse to ask for it, and for MONTHS they refused to allow the kinds of conversations necessary to carve and change a candidate like Harris into one who could get elected.
If anyone, here there or elsewhere, was suppressing speech challenging the narratives or strategies of the Harris campaign or Democratic party, challenges that would have led to a more viable candidate had they addressed them: these are the true enemies of democracy. There is a reason why Free Speech is the first amendment. It goes beyond what the government is allowed to do or not do: its about what we’re allowed to say or not allowed to say. Its about who has power, and who is allowed to challenge existing narratives. We can absolutely change this world, but first, we have to work on ourselves, and the communities we are a part of. This cynicism is a cancer we need to stamp out.
You have all the power you need to already to make the changes. If you need inspiration: Actions speak louder than words. You have to decide if you are part of the resistance or part of a costume party. Which is what some people, recently in the news, have decided.
The future is undefined. Pretending it isn’t is giving in.
we “had” to support Biden in the primary
What primary?
Exactly.
Honestly the party sounds like more fun.
Unless the resistance has guns.
That’s an awful lot of words to say absolutely nothing. What’s your suggested alternative that will get the 70+ million votes you need to stand a chance at the presidential level? Because encouraging people not to vote obviously didn’t work this time. Unless a Trump win was your goal all along.
Only if your goal is to (as Blue Maga does) continue to ignore the functional reason why Democrats lost this election.
Shit like this (Pelosi putting her thumb on the scale) is why people are questioning if they’ll ever vote Democrat again.
Yep, 100% this is at Pelosi’s feet. Fuck Nancy Pelosi, and honsestly fuck every D Boomer in congress who won’t get out of the way for the younger generations. You are actively holding us back.
No more. Independent from here on out.
I’m never voting Democrat.
edit: It would be election interference on account of being not American.
Ha!
And unless they do much, much better in the future, you shouldn’t. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the philosophy of accelerationism, its clear thats the kind of environment we’re in. On the bright side, it might actually be the opening we need to truly break up the two party system.
AOC runs several investigations that lead to results.
Connelly… Is old and has seniority.
Great fucking job Democrats. Getting my seat warmer ready for
20222026 already!2022 was 2 years ago.
Thank you.
“Everyone sort of made the case that they would be the best to help change the message across the country. … He’s a very good communicator,” said Beyer.
Oh yeah that’s exactly what’s going to fix the problem Democrats have. Electing another old ass Clinton era Democrat to a position of power. It’s not like everybody’s pissed at them for losing the Presidency, the House, and the Senate all in one go.
It’s not like everybody’s pissed at them for losing the Presidency, the House, and the Senate all in one go.
With their amazing communication skills.
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See it from their perspective. They are doing their hardest to be as useless as possible and people still vote them.
At this point, how pissed everyone is matters jack shit because they know their public loves outrage for the sake of outrage, and the very same public that votes them, is totally neutered and incapable of choosing or voting for anything else
They are using the fact that people can’t go anywhere else and are weaponising that to do absolutely nothing.
They have played their voter base for absolute fools
This country is totally capable of fighting off creeping fascism. It’s the Democrat leadership that’s not up to the task.
A 74-year-old who is dying of cancer was chosen over a 35-year-old rising star at the insistence of an 84-year-old woman (who is currently undergoing hip replacement surgery) just months after an 81-year-old Presidential candidate was forced to drop out of the race because he showed sever symptoms of cognitive decline during a debate. If this were a satire about a gerontocracy, I would think it was too over the top.
And a 78 year old is president elect
Oh yeah, if we’re talking Republicans too, don’t forget that the 82-year-old Senate minority leader, who has had mysterious freezing spells this year, was hospitalized for a fall just last week.
Are you talking about this? The guy who has cancer?
In my original comment, yes, he is the person with cancer I’m referencing. In the comment you’re replying to, I’m referring to Mitch McConnell, who suddenly froze mid sentence during a press conference.. Twice.
The state of politics is truly terrifying.
What…
…are you…
talking about?
What they’re saying: Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.), a Connolly ally, acknowledged Connolly’s greater seniority likely played a role in his win but argued “it wasn’t just that.”
It wasn’t just that. He also has a penis
The only thing that mattered was that his opponent was a progressive.
She lost to a 74yr old…yeah that guy needs to retire. Get out of the fucking way.
Democrats running out of foot to shoot themselves in
Connolly had 34 and AOC had 27, but there is a full caucus vote tomorrow.
Could you explain what this means? I learned a lot back in 2016, a bit more in 2020, but find I’m still a bit ignorant.
In the US House there are 16 committees. There are ranking chairs and minority chairs for each committee, along with committee members. The ranking chairs are for the majority, in this Congress the Republicans. The minority chairs are, of course, for the Dems. The chairs dictate subjects, schedule and rules. The Republicans choose their chairs, the Democrats vote for theirs. AOC is running for the minority chair of the Oversight Committee, which is the main investigative committee of Congress. They took a straw vote today and AOC lost, but all of the Dems will vote tomorrow.
Thank you for the overview. I wasn’t aware of these nuances. Our system is so damned complicated.
Gerry Connolly more like Gerry Atric.
If AOC sticks with the Democratic party instead of going independent she proves the DNC was right to deny her power. Why bother caving to AOC’S demands if she will keep sheepdogging people to the party and get nothing in return?
The ghoul strikes again.
Hence why I staunchly refuse to donate to Democrats currently. Fuck these old ass, no idea jackasses clinging onto old shit ideas and continuing to lose at every god damn level of politics.
I hope AOC continues to be a light and the fight in the Democratic party that doesn’t deserve her.
After 2016, ive wondered for a while if it would have made more sense to run progressives in republican primaries instead of dem ones. We would probably have been better off if progressives took advantage of republican party weaknesses
Well what a fucking surprise; the gerontocracy continues its undefeated streak.
