FuglyDuck

Yes.

And my point is that even with it being a small group- positively tiny in the scheme of things- it’s still important to protect their human rights.

Because if we erode their right to be who they are, we erode our own right to be who we are- that includes the right to be women who are good at sports, or men who suck at sports.

That includes being a male nurse or so woman firefighter.

Or whatever they’re telling us is appropriate/innapropeiate for what ever one has going on.

They’re using transphobia, fear and hate to attack everyone. Trans persons are vulnerable and need protection, not just because they need and deserve being safe… but also because what happens to the most vulnerable of us will eventually happen to all of us.

We’re here because you old shits voted how you voted. It’s been going on for the past 50+ years, and “kids these days” have a right to demand candidates that aren’t evil at all.

Your low standards led to Trump.

Even if you can’t be an empathetic human who accepts that everyone should be safe and allowed to exist as who and what they are, you can still be selfish and recognize that attacking transgender rights is also attacking YOUR rights.

We should be focused on the big things. I agree.

Like my powerful need to eat. (along with the rest of my family’s).

Also my powerful need to be safe and health care.

And generally have a functional government that respects my most basic rights as a person.

Did I mention my powerful need to eat?

I bet a few of them could get onboard with stoning unruly children. (Mark 7. The law Jesus cited and accused the Pharisees of not following is about stoning children who talk back to their parents.)

If you wondered why conservative Christians come up with awful shit in the Bible… it’s because the Bible has awful shit to come up with.

Do I get to punch him in the face?

Only reason I’d go out of my way to see him.

Also of rash cream.

He shoulda asked some questions sooner.

Oh. It’s “viral TikTok’s”.

Yeah. That’s a great source for what millions of people are thinking.

(Also, 45 isn’t exactly retirement age, so this feels more like the tiktoker in question is being paid to stir shit.)

or they were, uh, using it to wank off.

I’ve got a question… when you subpoena text messages from the carrier, doesn’t that come with metadata? Meta data showing where the phone was at the time? If not gps then cell tower?

“Blanche sucks trump’s dick, more at eleven.”

Thoughts, in no particular order:

• Old peole skin issues. They happen and Trump is vain as fuck and wants to hide it.
• flesh eating bacteria from his diaper lady
• he got injured when his “wife” slapped his hand away
• he got shot at again and couldn’t remember where his ear was.
• hiding an injection sight for old people medications.

There’s nothing in the big book that says you have to go to meetings. Good meetings are good. Bad meetings are bad.

I should have added another bullet point: “adherents lie about their cult”.

In any case, you’re not wrong that the Big Book doesn’t expressly say meetings are required. And no, I didn’t say that it did, either. Both the Big Book (and subsequent publications,) as well as literally every AA group strongly encourages meeting attendance, emphasizes the need for community and unity.

But if that hasn’t been working by itself, modifying one’s behavior is in fact the goal. “Coercion” and “co-dependence” should not be a part of it.

But it is part of it. that is, in fact, the largest part for why the meetings happen. That it’s ostensibly for benevolent reasons doesn’t make it less manipulative, or that the members or whatever are any less dependent on the whole.

“Spiritual but not religious” … but actually being very religious. Before meds this was pretty much all there was. Groups are pretty varied as to how they handle this. But again, if your group is too Jesusy for you, or otherwise not your jam, find a different group. Anytime someone talks about Jesus or “God” I always think “Okay, good to know: don’t talk to them about that”. The only point is to allow that maybe your standard thinking patterns maybe aren’t the best authoritative source on how to not drink. Mostly because everyone got there by thinking that.

And now that the nature of addiction is better understood, and the nature of it’s treatment is more effect, perhaps then your cult should just go away and let secular systems take over. The 12 Steps, though, are inherently religious. the first step requires admitting/accepting that one cannot change by one’s on self. 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 11 all invoke good to make the change that we are, AA teaches us, powerless to make on our own, and #12 requires the proslytization of that god.

the 12 Traditions don’t make that any better, either.

and there’s been a fair number of court rulings finding specifically that AA is indeed a religious organization. (DeStefano v. Emergency Housing Group, 2014; Jackson v. Nixon, 2014; Hazel v. Crofoot, 2014; Thorne v. Hale, 2009) Most of those lawsuits centered on whether it was appropriate for the government (or government funded entities) to coerce attendance,

the removal of personal agency. No idea what that’s supposed to be. Are you referencing the “surrender” part of being alcoholic? If so that’s a truly misleading way to say it.

AA teaches that individuals are powerless to change themselves, that is inherently a removal of personal agency. for fucks sake…step one is:

We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.

When people speak of religious trauma, and especially “christian shame”; this is what people are talking about. that inability, that inadequacy is deeply harmful.

targeting vulnerable and desperate people This should never happen. It’s always wrong, never endorsed, never intended, never supported by anything about AA. Yes, people do it claiming to be AA but that’s the thing - it ain’t. Very specifically.

AA targets alcoholics who are desirous of becoming sober. They recognize it as a problem, which is great. Many who seek help with that, though are vulnerable. Desperate to make a change, willing to do almost anything, and easily manipulated.

This is an inherent aspect of AA’s religious nature. It’s ingrained into the structure. It’s fundamentally manipulative, and sleezy. And sure, the purpose may be benevolent. There certainly are people leading AA groups that absouletly only want their members to attain sobriety. but this inherent manipulate nature, this targeting of vulnerable people, and the leadership roles create a power dynamic that is attractive to certain kinds of people.

And those kinds of people aren’t benevolent. It’s inevitable that something lie Brendan Carr’s AA sex cult happens. It’s inevitable that there will be hundreds of others using that power dynamic to take advantage of, and abuse, the vulnerable people coming to those meetings.

And there is nothing that can salvage that problem, because AA only works by manipulation, and by removing peer pressure, and by stripping agency from vulnerable people, and creating a dependence on the group itself.

in any case, will any any of us be surprised when Carr gets accused of inappropriate conduct?

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We need to stop slapping our own faces when these idiots do something idiotic and hurtful.

We need to start slapping their faces.

Thank you. I was wonder what the hell I missed.

they don’t even have the money for payroll right now.

So no, they really can’t fix it overnight.

… That might be the excuse they’re using.

The reality is that they don’t have the money because they spent it on bombing schools for young girls.

fuckers need to fuck right off to the fuckerville composting center.