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  • Oh, you want 20th century again? You didn’t like it in my original comment, but back to Arrow’s Impossibility Theorem, proven definitively in 1950.

    Arrow’s impossibility theorem is a key result in social choice theory showing that no ranked-choice procedure for group decision-making can satisfy the requirements of rational choice.[1] Specifically, American economist Kenneth Arrow showed no such rule can satisfy independence of irrelevant alternatives, the principle that a choice between two alternatives A and B should not depend on the quality of some third, unrelated option, C.[2][3][4]

    The result is often cited in discussions of voting rules,[5] where it shows no ranked voting rule can eliminate the spoiler effect.[6][7][8] This result was first shown by the Marquis de Condorcet, whose voting paradox showed the impossibility of logically-consistent majority rule; Arrow’s theorem generalizes Condorcet’s findings to include non-majoritarian rules like collective leadership or consensus decision-making.[1]

    Then a bit later, this important part;

    Rated voting rules, where voters assign a separate grade to each candidate, are not affected by Arrow’s theorem.[17][18][19] Arrow initially asserted the information provided by these systems was meaningless and therefore could not be used to prevent paradoxes, leading him to overlook them.[20] However, Arrow would later describe this as a mistake,[21][22] admitting rules based on cardinal utilities (such as score and approval voting) are not subject to his theorem.[23][24]

    The Spoiler Effect is when a voting system fails independence of irrelevant alternatives. This is what drives two party dominance, after all, if you’re punished for voting third party, third parties become actively harmful. This is why the major support for most third parties comes from their ideological opponents. Jill Stein being super cozy with Russia and Republican donors being the key recent example.


  • I’m falling for the mathematical truth.

    We’ve known that Ordinal voting was bad since the 1780s, The Mathematician, philosopher and Girondian, Marie Jean Antoine Nicolas Caritat, the Marquis de Condorcet, wrote the seminal work on it; Essay on the Application of Analysis to the Probability of Majority Decisions (Essai sur l’application de l’analyse à la probabilité des décisions rendues à la pluralité des voix). Found here in the original French

    We haven’t fixed anything, because the voting method itself is broken. In any First Past the Post election, you have the Spoiler Effect, where just a few votes for a third party can guarantee that the person furthest from that candidate on the political spectrum wins. Look at Ross Perot securing Clinton’s win in 1992 and Ralph Nader securing Bush’s win in 2000.

    None of that shit is fixed because we’re still using the broken system, a system that wasn’t actually ever really designed as such, it was just the default easiest way to do things and enables minority rule.


  • It’s a consequence of Ordinal voting methods, particularly First Past the Post.

    Arrow’s Impossibility Theorium spells it out. https://electowiki.org/wiki/Arrow’s_impossibility_theorem

    The tldr is that any ranked voting system will result in two parties.

    This is really because all ranked voting systems are built around the word “Or”.

    You support A or B. Which means that A and B have incentive to demonize each other, because every vote for A is one less potential vote for B.

    The solution is abandoning Ordinal voting for a Cardinal system.

    The simplest method is Approval.

    Approval voting is a single-winner electoral system where each voter may select (“approve”) any number of candidates. The winner is the candidate approved by the largest number of voters. It is distinct from plurality voting, in which a voter may choose only one option among several (where the option with the most selections is declared the winner). It is related to score voting in which voters give each option a score on a scale, and the option with the highest total of scores is selected.

    Another option is STAR.

    www.starvoting.org

    It’s been deliberately designed to make for better election results.






  • Fun how they just tack on the name Brunel without the added context of who he was.

    Brunel was Epstein’s business partner. They owned MC2 modeling together. Epstein was the hidden partner, thus E=MC2. That right there is just another reason to hate these people.

    Anyway, Brunel was the sort of guy who always had some date rape drugs on hand, and used them constantly.

    As a note, Trump owned Trump Model Management, and hosted his own underage sex parties with random celebrities invited. But none of these parties had music.

    There’s a clip of Luther Campbell talking about how he noped the fuck out of a Trump party at Mar a Lago because he thought the girls were too young.

    For those who don’t know Luther Campbell is also known as Uncle Luke, in a song titled “Me So Horny” he claimed to be a dog in heat and a freak without a leash.



  • It’s nice that you think that, Vance has zero charisma. Without Peter Thiel, Vance would still be a nobody in Ohio with a different name, but still fucking couches.

    Vance might be next in line if Trump dies, but that’s literally the only way for him to sit in the big chair.

    He’s just as disposable to Trump as Pence was, and Trump who is jealous of power, has actually put in effort to keep anyone from being named heir apparent, because that would mean sharing even a scrap of power.

    No, Trump will keep pitting his followers against each other until he dies, at which point he doesn’t care if the world ends.

    It’s the reason his kids aren’t involved in the administration this time around. If Trump is unwilling to share power with his own children, what chance does a spineless sack like Vance have?


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    If you haven’t heard about it, that 50k is actually a debt trap. See, they get the money, but if they aren’t perfect little Gestapo thugs for five full years, they have to pay it all back. Poor performance reviews can also trigger a mandatory repayment, even if they aren’t fired.