They do however like to pretend it’s different when Trump does it.

And that’s all it is. Pretense. They know better.

Honestly, whether they’re for or against the exact same foreign policy depends on who’s in charge.

Centrists maintain a hold on who’s in charge, so they’re for the same foreign policy.

I think you’ve misread centrists.

They had all of 2024 to tell their god netanyahu no. They chose not to, even though it meant losing to trump. After everything they caved on in the past 40 years, they stood up for genocide. At the end of an administration that found every bullshit hurdle to throw in its own way to stop itself from fulfilling its campaign promises, they broke the law to sell weapons for genocide. Centrism has no other policy. Just genocide.

Plus, it’s a war of choice in the middle east with no exit strategy. If you think democrats won’t vote for it, you’ve been ignoring democrats for decades.

Oh great. If democrats weren’t on board with trump’s war before, now Iran has threatened to kill every centrist’s god.

Well, they don’t, very specifically.

They have it within their power to listen to their base and stop supporting genocide. You consider that unthinkable.

Centrists will interpret this as wanting republicans to win instead of wanting democrats to change.

Because they don’t want democrats to change.

They tend to be the ones actively cheering for it

among the ones actively cheering for it, alongside every last centrist democrat.

Dems winning as they are would be just fine.

As far as people who always want to talk about genocide later (once it’s complete) are concerned.

(We can talk about why that’s bad some other time.)

You can stop pretending that you think it’s bad.

this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge.

Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning.

that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party.

Not yet, no. But there haven’t been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party.

Mamdani’s a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth.

Decisively in all cases.

That last one shows the centrist “we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts” line to be so much bullshit.

so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?

Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning.

Also agree. If progressives are to have a party, centrists must be replaced with progressives.

Agree entirely.

Democrats in safe seats capitulate and deserve all the criticism they get but not all Democrats want the stairs quo.

Which is why I referred specifically to a wing of the democratic party and not the whole thing.

This logic will elect Republicans again and they will make the situation worse.

Which is why the wing of the party that capitulates to republicans keeps doing it.

It gives centrist democrats and other republicans something to masturbate to

Razer Viper V1.

Would have bought something else if I knew you could only change the device’s onboard button mapping using windows. Yes, you can remap it in software, but that’s not the point. I shouldn’t have to set up some hacky bullshit to do something that the manufacturer didn’t feel like supporting or documenting.

Nope. Right click every time.

Finally bought a mouse with optical switches.

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