I don’t care if independents win or if the democrats start to become slightly less evil. But for fuck’s sake, the democrats victory should be contingent upon them pulling support for Israel. And they should have no problem doing that. Anything short of that is horrifying.
Fascism for thee, palestinians, but not for me? We should accept conducing genocide abroad as the cost of having less fascism here?
How about the democrats just be minimally acceptable human beings? No? No it’s the voters fault for not voting for the slightly less demonic demons. All the stuff going on domestically is terrible but it’s a drop in the bucket of all the terrible shit the democrats and republicans are both happy to do. You think the handful of protesters murdered by ICE are bad? You think the dozens killed in their detention camps are bad? Well you’re god damn right they are…and you’ll be really pissed when you hear about the tens of thousands ruthlessly slaughtered in Gaza!
I’m sorry, is not supporting a genocide just too much to ask? If you say “yes!” think about what that means. If you say “no!” then what the hell are you talking about, shilling for those ghouls?
Let’s look at it this way. There are two choices. (We can talk about why that’s bad some other time.)
Presuming you are a US voter, you will be supporting one of those choices. (Not choosing, or “intentional grounding”is support for one of the choices.)
I disagree quite fundamentally that not voting for the democrats is the same choice as voting for republicans…but it sounds like you’re going somewhere, so sure, we can talk about it!
If you frame it this way, you have two choices:
A. vote for the democratic party; or
B. not vote for the democratic party.
Well I hope the democrats do something about that.
Maybe our non-votes will lead to a non-genocide option, and if so, great. That would be pretty awesome influence from those non-votes. If not, if the democrats simply must support genocide even if it means losing over and over and over again, at least I didn’t endorse it. That’s their choice, not mine.
What the fuck does “maga influence” matter in the face of genocide?
This is not a math question in which democrats winning is good and democrats losing is bad. And frankly, even if it were that straightforward, it still wouldn’t be the same as voting for a republican, because voting republican is twice as bad on net…so maybe you need to think about your back-of-the-napkin math?
The whole point is that we do not want the Democrats, as they are, to win. We want them to change. We want someone other than genocidiers to run the country. And if they won’t change to stop supporting a genocide AND they won’t change to win, that’s their choice, not mine.
The democrats winning, as they are, would be infinitely worse than the democrats changing.
The democrats winning, as they are, would be infinitely worse than the democrats changing.
Not sure if you’ve been watching the news since the election but Dems winning as they are would be just fine. Changing for the better is of course good, but throwing the country to the wolves was a really dumb idea. As most of us have seen more than ample evidence of.
I mean…my guy…it’s 1% as bad here as it is in Gaza. It would not be just fine. Just fine for you maybe.
They have to change. And It’s not some massive crazy line in the sand to not vote for people who actively support genocide. That’s like…the lowest possible bar to clear.
So on principle you want republicans to win and cause more deaths in Gaza, because democrats aren’t perfect. That’s fine, but don’t say you’re against genicide and then vote for more genocide. Take responsibility for all the deaths you cause.
Uhh…sorry, what? I don’t want the republicans to win, I want the democrats to change (and then win). They can just do that. That’s on them. I think I’ve been pretty goddamn clear about that.
The democrats are moral agents. We’re not choosing between an earthquake and a wildfire here. You’re acting as though there’s no way the democrats could ever do anything but fund a genocide. As if there’s simply no other thing they could possibly do.
It’s not that they’re not perfect, it’s because they’re fucking evil and actively support a genocide.
“Not perfect” jesus christ.
I’m not killing anybody, and I’m not going to kill people indirectly by voting for a party that’s perfectly happy to go conduct a genocide. I’m not making myself complicit in that, thanks. If you would have been happy voting for continuing US support for genocide in palestine because you thought it’d be a little better for us back home, that’s your business. But don’t tell me I’m causing death by refusing to support genocide in palestine. The democrats could stop.
Democrats can’t win without ceasing to support the genocide of Palestinians.
Independents can’t win without a base.
seems the democrats can’t win with a base. guess they are going to have to change their position…
I don’t care if independents win or if the democrats start to become slightly less evil. But for fuck’s sake, the democrats victory should be contingent upon them pulling support for Israel. And they should have no problem doing that. Anything short of that is horrifying.
Beep beep beep inconvenient fact detected beep beep beep
Centrists will interpret this as wanting republicans to win instead of wanting democrats to change.
Because they don’t want democrats to change.
There we go. We now return you to your previously selected fascism, already in progress.
Fascism for thee, palestinians, but not for me? We should accept conducing genocide abroad as the cost of having less fascism here?
How about the democrats just be minimally acceptable human beings? No? No it’s the voters fault for not voting for the slightly less demonic demons. All the stuff going on domestically is terrible but it’s a drop in the bucket of all the terrible shit the democrats and republicans are both happy to do. You think the handful of protesters murdered by ICE are bad? You think the dozens killed in their detention camps are bad? Well you’re god damn right they are…and you’ll be really pissed when you hear about the tens of thousands ruthlessly slaughtered in Gaza!
I’m sorry, is not supporting a genocide just too much to ask? If you say “yes!” think about what that means. If you say “no!” then what the hell are you talking about, shilling for those ghouls?
Let’s look at it this way. There are two choices. (We can talk about why that’s bad some other time.)
Presuming you are a US voter, you will be supporting one of those choices. (Not choosing, or “intentional grounding”is support for one of the choices.)
Okay? We on the same page so far?
You can stop pretending that you think it’s bad.
I disagree quite fundamentally that not voting for the democrats is the same choice as voting for republicans…but it sounds like you’re going somewhere, so sure, we can talk about it!
If you frame it this way, you have two choices:
A. vote for the democratic party; or B. not vote for the democratic party.
Same page so far.
Not voting at all means a MAGA vote has more influence than your non-vote.
Well I hope the democrats do something about that.
Maybe our non-votes will lead to a non-genocide option, and if so, great. That would be pretty awesome influence from those non-votes. If not, if the democrats simply must support genocide even if it means losing over and over and over again, at least I didn’t endorse it. That’s their choice, not mine.
What the fuck does “maga influence” matter in the face of genocide?
They tend to be the ones actively cheering for it (at least for anyone who isn’t as white as they like).
I don’t care about cheering, I care about bombs that blow the bodies of children into little pieces.
among the ones actively cheering for it, alongside every last centrist democrat.
Maybe you should go back to grade school math.
This is not a math question in which democrats winning is good and democrats losing is bad. And frankly, even if it were that straightforward, it still wouldn’t be the same as voting for a republican, because voting republican is twice as bad on net…so maybe you need to think about your back-of-the-napkin math?
The whole point is that we do not want the Democrats, as they are, to win. We want them to change. We want someone other than genocidiers to run the country. And if they won’t change to stop supporting a genocide AND they won’t change to win, that’s their choice, not mine.
The democrats winning, as they are, would be infinitely worse than the democrats changing.
Not sure if you’ve been watching the news since the election but Dems winning as they are would be just fine. Changing for the better is of course good, but throwing the country to the wolves was a really dumb idea. As most of us have seen more than ample evidence of.
I mean…my guy…it’s 1% as bad here as it is in Gaza. It would not be just fine. Just fine for you maybe.
They have to change. And It’s not some massive crazy line in the sand to not vote for people who actively support genocide. That’s like…the lowest possible bar to clear.
As far as people who always want to talk about genocide later (once it’s complete) are concerned.
So on principle you want republicans to win and cause more deaths in Gaza, because democrats aren’t perfect. That’s fine, but don’t say you’re against genicide and then vote for more genocide. Take responsibility for all the deaths you cause.
Uhh…sorry, what? I don’t want the republicans to win, I want the democrats to change (and then win). They can just do that. That’s on them. I think I’ve been pretty goddamn clear about that.
The democrats are moral agents. We’re not choosing between an earthquake and a wildfire here. You’re acting as though there’s no way the democrats could ever do anything but fund a genocide. As if there’s simply no other thing they could possibly do.
It’s not that they’re not perfect, it’s because they’re fucking evil and actively support a genocide.
“Not perfect” jesus christ.
I’m not killing anybody, and I’m not going to kill people indirectly by voting for a party that’s perfectly happy to go conduct a genocide. I’m not making myself complicit in that, thanks. If you would have been happy voting for continuing US support for genocide in palestine because you thought it’d be a little better for us back home, that’s your business. But don’t tell me I’m causing death by refusing to support genocide in palestine. The democrats could stop.