I can only hope that was hyperbole out of frustration i do not consider both the parties to be the same, republicans are obviously worse. But i am a lot more angry with democrats then republicans.

Being upset with republicans is like being angry at the weather. It’s a waste of time once you are determined to do something about it. But then you have those assholes who obstruct any progress doing something about it for their own personal gain fucking over everything and everyone. They may not be the source of the problem, but they are an obstacle we have to overpower in order to handle the actual problem

I am going to point to this every time i get told to vote blue no matter who, or when i am told i am not allowed to criticize the Democratic Party because republicans exist.

Bernie Sanders’s platform, he is the poster child of the progressive vote. There and done

Progressive policy is already known. As a matter of fact the Democratic Party publicly lambasted specific progressive policy after the election. It was one of the things that alienated me AFTER the election. If they blame progressives for costing them the election, then proclaim they will no longer fight for progressive policy, i don’t know what to tell you, but i ain’t interested.

If that’s the case then you should be on-bord with the democrats parleying with the progressives to secure the win. You must have SOME progressive policy you can at least stomach that you would demand the Democratic Party fork over. But after what the democrats did after the election, it better very very tempting.

And there we have it, the smoking gun. That’s the argument you should have started with, its the much more defensible position. But again it doesn’t mean that Biden had a snowballs chance in hell. Nor does this justify blaming disenfranchised voters for losing. Because however large the liberal block is, its obviously much much smaller then the republicans voter base. And it frames your blaming the progressives as a shaming tactic or a scare tactic depending on how close the next election is. And it also vindicated my position for getting progressive policy, seeing as that is now your stated goal to defeat.

We are not talking about the center or the republicans rightward drift. These are enabled by the democratic parties rightward drift

Your argument is to arrest the right ward drift by voting in centrist democrats… and they would push progressive policy against their own goals because why again?

I mean, you can admit that you don’t align with progressive policy and are a ‘the market will provide’ liberal. And i would just have to accept that.

But for some bizarre reason you just outright deny the rightward drift is even happening. Which was the incorrect play here. You can argue policy, you can’t argue facts.

I mean. I see You as part of the problem. You have no answer to the rightward ratchet. And so i can only conclude that democrats rightward drift is not a bug to you it’s a feature and if that’s the case, i don’t rate your opinion very highly

I mean we have talked about this before. But for everyone else in the class i am talking about everything. Remember i was the guy you argued with about forcing progressive policy with conditional voting. You don’t get that by voting blue no matter who.

Well i am not voting for democratic nominees unless they had prioritized progressive policies in the past, so she will be in good company.

Just a moment, the democrats will urge everyone to stop saying it and to maintain respectful decorum. Like when calling republicans weird started to catch on.

You didn’t even try to engage in good faith. But sure—if you want to know why i despise the Republican Party, here’s a start:

Their entire economic platform is a scam—top-down Reaganomics designed to funnel wealth upward under the myth of trickle-down prosperity. They prop up oligarchs while gutting the working class, not out of ignorance, but intent.

Their ‘traditional values’ are a mask for racism, sexism, and authoritarianism. They treat society like a zero-sum game, blocking policies that would uplift everyone—sometimes even when those policies would increase profit—because empowering others threatens their grip on control.

They wield suffering as policy—undermining healthcare, crushing unions, sabotaging public education, and demonizing the poor to maintain wage slavery. They distort religion into a loyalty tool and wrap cruelty in sanctimony.

They claim to champion the myth of the ‘free market’ while enabling monopolies, bailing out legacy industries, and crushing innovation. They undermine democracy, rewrite history, borrow recklessly against the future, and sell out public institutions for short-term gain.

And internationally? They escalate conflict and entrench U.S. hegemony through violence, turning soldiers into pawns, all while claiming patriotism.

There is more i am sure. There is not a single good thing i can think of that would be worth giving to them in principle. Fuck the republicans and those who vote for them

I mean, the whole point of “he is too old” Is because 80 it’s too old. It is wether or not anyone had secret knowledge of Biden’s decline. It was a correct assessment, and his debate was just validation of what was already known

You make foolish assumptions about me that could be easily disproved by a glance at my history. Democrats do not get to sell out their base just because republicans are more evil. Turns out that the democrats are incapable of dealing with the situation. So before we can work on republicans we have to bring democrats to heel.

Complaining about republicans being stupid or evil is a waste of time because at this point i don’t see any republicans voter being swayed by logic or empathy, or even their own interest. Its a waste of my breath complaining that water is wet.

Its too bad the Democratic party is so full of shit that trying to clean house has put you on the defensive. And you reflexively blame abandoned voters for the parties failings. But the party is too incompetent and an active obstacle in dealing with trump

The Democratic Party lost to Donal trump, this is the second time. Seems to me the democrats need their progressive voters. Best they answer to them.

I guess it depends.

Democrats really haven’t earned uncritical first reactions. Positive actions have been an exception not the rule.

That was a calculation made by democrat leadership. They banked on further alienating progressives for their donors, and to push for the Republican values they truly want. Every compromise against progressive platforms has been a full rightward tilt. They miscalculated the severity of their abandonment of progressive voters. Arguments to “vote blue no matter who” and “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” are obfuscating the reality that we are here because of this rightward ratchet. And all progressive promises turn out to be lies convenient during an election. Blaming disenfranchised voters is an attempt to defer blame where Is doesn’t belong to maintain power, and is a losing strategy against republicans.

I have said this elsewhere, but i will not again vote for the Democratic Party until they actually put up progressive candidates. Not pinky swear to pass progressive policy. That means the candidates has to have a provable history of struggling against the Democratic Party to pass progressive policy. There are only two i know of and that’s Bernie Sanders (who is too old for the presidency), and AOC. Else it’s third party until the democrats learn better.