Sadly, I feel there are still too many bigots and sexists in the US who cannot bring themselves to vote for a woman, esp. one who isn’t ‘white enough’. That, piled on top of the ‘establishment’ Dem factions that will do everything possible to subvert a campaign… which will let the right-wingers/fascists drive right up the middle again.
Feel free to prove me wrong, USA. Please.
When the DNC runs candidates who’s campaign promises are status quo, corporate subsidies and serving Israel then yeah, the bigot and sexist vote becomes significant. People need to stop using that as a condemnation of the country as a whole. It’s a condemnation of the two party system, a corrupt or derelict Democratic party or a “democracy” which is no longer functioning.
Meanwhile candidates who actually prioritize American voters can win without the help of bigots. Obama proved this back in 2008 and Zohran has proved things have only gotten better. Not only did he win without the bigot vote but without all the other piece of shit voters who showed up for Cuomo in the general election.
Harris was a garbage candidate. Biden was a garbage candidate. Hillary Clinton was a garbage candidate. American voters as a whole are not responsible for the abhorrent behavior by the DNC and assholes who vote for people like Biden and Cuomo in Democratic primaries.
But the reason they put garbage candidates forward is because they regard them as a safe bet, not too radical for some, not too weak for others. … they may be right… it depends whether the vaguely inoffensive option results in the largest number of votes overall or whether a boldly progressive candidate with strong support of fewer voters gives them the better result. Dems always go with the safe option.
Edit: why are so many people downvoting this ? I really don’t understand ?
Well yeah, last time Americans elected a socialist they kept electing him til he died. Can’t have that happen again. They aren’t going with safe they are going with what they are financially incentivised to do. Look at the funding for democratic candidates, that’s their constituency. You’re projecting your own morals on them, they don’t actually care about what’s good for the country
FDR wasn’t a socialist, he was a man who understood that if he didn’t offer the people a better deal then they’d look to revolution to get it. It pissed off the rich and powerful, but ultimately he was doing what he believed necessary to preserve capitalism.
they may be right.
How could you possibly call this “right” after this strategy lost to an orange blob twice?
But the reason they put garbage candidates forward is because they regard them as a safe bet, not too radical for some, not too weak for others. … they may be right…
How many more times does this strategy need to fail for you to stop saying “they may be right”. At what point do you say progressives and leftists “may be right”?
I said they may be right because we’ve not seen them take any other option. In other words, we lack the data to know if their ‘play it safe’ strategy is the one that results in the most votes, or not.
Perhaps you and others are reading too much into my post and think that I was supporting the safe option. I was not, I was merely noting what they continue to do. Perhaps this explains why I initially got upvotes for a few days and then got downvoted below freezing?
In other words, we lack the data to know if their ‘play it safe’ strategy is the one that results in the most votes, or not.
Zohran and Obama had ridiculously high turnouts. You’re giving establishment Democratic politicians a benefit of the doubt they do not deserve.
I have no intention of voting for another pro-corporate, “my turn” Democrat. If we don’t end up with her, or another actual progressive, I think a whole lot of Democrats will be completely turned off the party
Not to mention all the progressives that won’t vote for her because she’s not progressive enough, or perfectly aligned on every policy.
Hey look it’s another genocide supporter.
Hey look, another moron.
The same progressives encouraging her to run despite her problematic ideology?
In many cases, yes. Progressives are so quick to turn on their own that all it takes is a little Russian or Chinese media manipulation and they forget their goals. it’s already happening
Criticism is not ‘turning on their own.’
If you cannot handle defending your decisions, you don’t belong on the left. Either as a representative or as a member. If you want to vote to send weapons to Israel while they commit one of the worst genocides in history, you will get backlash and demands to defend your actions from any human being that exists.
Yes, I agree. But once we are in the election, we need to support ‘better’. If we keep pushing people against the viable better candidate then, they will lose and we’ll get the much worse maga option.
No.
Period.
That is how fascism happens. ‘Lesser Evilism’ does not work. The current state of the US proves this. It is so easy to just not be evil. So incredibly fucking easy.
Gavin Newsom, for example, will be worse for the average person than Donald Trump. He would be the ‘lesser evil,’ and would probably redirect ICE to only target male immigrants instead of everyone brown and would probably say gays and lesbians are okay while still targeting trans people; but his economic warfare against the working class will be worse, as he’s competent and surrounds himself with competent people.
Allowing people like that, as an example, to exist on the left because Donald Trump exists is like shooting off your toe because you were aiming at your dick. Yeah, it’s kinda better from a deranged viewpoint that ignores everything, but it does not solve the problem.
Or to borrow a phrase, it’s like only feeding bad children to the orphan crushing machine instead of just turning off the orphan crushing machine. No. ‘Better’ is not good enough in this case. Joseph Biden is responsible for at least 200,000 dead children. Every single Biden voter that just insisted he was the best we could do killed 200,000 children. Would more have died under Trump 2? It turns out no. But we delayed some immigrants getting deported so its fine I guess.
So your solution is to support maga? I agree a revolution would be better, but it seems Americans can barely even do demonstrations on the occasional weekend. The U.S. has a choice between bad and much much worse. Do you really want to choose ‘much much worse’? What else is your plan?
America isn’t ready for competent leadership
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is young and lacks experience, especially in foreign policy. But that may be exactly the kind of person we need as president: someone relatively untainted by both the DNC and the GOP, and someone who has not spent decades being shaped by corporate lobbying and the protection of profit margins.
We need leadership that is still capable of idealism, somebody willing to push for the kind of social programs this country increasingly needs if we want to reverse the direction things are heading right now.
AOC absolutely could be elected. A 2028 presidential run is not some impossible fantasy. The deciding factor is simple: younger voters would actually need to show up and vote in meaningful numbers.
Young? I’d take young over dementia riddled. Besides, this country desperately needs fresh leadership and engagement from people who are younger.
If Emanuel Macron became French President at 39, I’m sure there’s no issue with AOC being 38 by 2028.
She’ll pick the right people for her cabinet, and she’ll listen to their advice.
Experience in foreign police meaning being completely in the pocked of military industrial?
No? I’m going with a no. 🤷👍
The deciding factor is simple: younger voters would actually need to show up and vote in meaningful numbers.
I umm…got some bad news for you.
I know man… I know… America is so fucked.
lacks experience, especially in foreign policy
I honestly don’t think there’s a single real person that cares about this in the slightest. The only people I see unironically bringing up this argument are old people who preffer fascists over anyone younger than them.
O… kay…
So there are other countries on this planet aside from America. In fact, there’s an entire department of the U.S. government, headed by the person fourth in line for the presidency, whose sole purpose is handling foreign policy and relations with other nations.
Foreign policy is arguably the single most important qualification a president can have.
I’m 40 years old, and I’ve been saying this since I was a teenager because I’m not short-sighted enough to think the world ends at America’s borders.
And moreover, I literally said in my original comment that we may need somebody inexperienced like AOC at this point. Did you somehow miss that part?
I’m not American and my comment wasn’t meant to be negative towards you. This is an argument quite often brought up in my home country, usually by the group of people I mentioned. This is also because, similarly to the USA, pretty much all of the ‘experienced’ politicians are just horrible.
So all I was saying is that, in my opinion, when you take all of this into account, this qualification becomes worthless. Because you can either have a qualified fascist or an unqualified maybe-somewhat-good guy or gal.
Right okay.
I hear what you’re saying.
And I’m still saying that it’s probably the most important qualification the president can have.
I guess I’m just not connecting what I’m saying in correlation to what you’re saying… 🤷
I would prefer Mark Kelly, but she’s way better than Newsom at least.
Why Kelly? He’s pro Israel and pro big business. Anti medicare for all. He’s just the same old cookie cutter biden model centrist with no ideas-- that the public has already rejected as out of touch. I dont care at all that he was a navy and nasa pilot. Show me someone with ideas and a drive to lead in a positive direction? its not Kelly.
He’s just the same old cookie cutter biden model
Reminder that Biden is the only person who has beaten Trump. The two women failed.
And progress was made under Biden if you were paying attention. Maybe not tectonic shifting, but still progress. Which was a whole hell of a lot better than what we’re experiecing now.
As a Californian, I truly believe there is no way in hell that the country will elect a Californian.
This is completely separate from the undeniable fact that Newsom has always felt like a slimy used-car salesman with his greasy slicked-back hair, and now only seems like he’ll do anything at all in the quest for MOAR POWER. There’s only so much goodwill slapping back at Trump’s tweets will get you and it certainly is nowhere near enough to get him the presidency.
Yup.
A white male astronaut senator with military experience who has openly stood up to Trump has a better chance than a woman of ANY qualification in this country.
That’s simply the truth in these Divided States of America.
AOC is THE only acceptable choice. She can win and she can rise to the occasion unlike the milquetoast white men Newsom and Kelly
Awesome. Be the change you want to see.
I want to see her take more media. I don’t think she’s as prepared many other potential candidates (Khanna is a good correllary). She’s been able to stick to very safe media spaces and that won’t fly in a campaign. Right now she’s the best option, but I’d rather see more competitive options to sharpen her. I’m also not super impressed with her last 2 years as a representative. She’s developing some… bad habits when it comes to triangulation.
I also think Platner could run. They take much harder media interviews. I think Khanna could run. I also think there are some potential candidates out of Minnesota, what with their ability to show leadership during the ICE campaign there, like Jacob Frey.
AOC has been a bit of a disappointment as she’s become more comfortable in her seat. I don’t really get the uncritical cheerleading,.although I have come to expect it. AOCs political instincts went from great in 2018 to very not good in the previous year, and instinct really matters. Her retreat from even safe media spaces also, pretty disappointing and it leaves her vulnerable in a general. Still great policies but seems to prefer communication via a panel or a from behind a microphone where she won’t have hard questions come at her. That won’t fly in a general.
I highly encourage you to go to her YouTube and watch her videos in Congress.
She’s incredibly informed, capable, and competent. She’s also confident and not afraid of confrontation.
As they say. “She brought receipts”.
Every time she questions someone she obviously did her homework.
She may have started low but she’s a very intelligent person who is motivated and has far surpassed most politicians on knowledge of the government systems. Knowledge on current happenings and relevant historical events to her talking points.
Unless you can actually engage with the points I’ve made there really isn’t a point in engaging with the cheer squad.
I know more than plenty about AOC, her public addresses, her interviews, what legislation she’s been on and what she hasn’t.
From 2018-2022, she was S tier. Now, she mid. At best. Ro Khanna far better than her at getting things done. Ilhan Omar doesn’t have to trace back her steps and retriangulate. I’m not judging AOC against anyone but her peer group and where she used to lead, she now follows. She’ll need to do better if she wants to be president and that’s just a fact.
The cheer squad down voting my critique in their emotional manner, it doesn’t change the issues I’ve identified.
I’d love to see AOC elected, but I doubt it.
Sadly, America will never vote a woman President.
2024 was definitive proof of that.
Trump was re-elected in spite of Covid being his fault simply because the other choice had a vagina.
What data supports this? What exit pills show that people were concerned about voting for a woman at rates that matter? Cause there’s tons of data showing it was other reasons. Democrats need to get out the base, exciting candidates is how you do that
What exit pills show that people were concerned about voting for a woman
How many people openly admit to being sexist? Or racist? Or homophobic? Or transphobic?
Or even privately admitting it to themselves?
Gonna keep saying it. Don’t care how much I get downvoted.
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She’s a woman and America has made it very clear it isn’t ready for a female president, even when they’re up against a felon rapist pedophile with 2 impeachments and a failed presidency under his belt. I’ve voted for women for president twice now. I’ll do it again. Doesn’t mean that changes the reality that is this fucked up nation.
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She’s younger than any president, ever. That matters to a lot of people.
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Her political resume isn’t that impressive yet. That still matters to Democrat voters.
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She’s VERY liberal and that makes centrists, and even some lefties closer to the center, uncomfortable. She’ll lose those voters to 3rd parties or people that just stay home.
At this point I have no expectations for Americans to learn from mistakes. So I assume this will all fall on deaf ears. I’m almost at the point that I simply don’t care anymore.
so who would you run? another biden? everyone is criticizing anything that any liberal does like it’s a bad idea by default, with complete lack of any useful advice or suggestions. are you too young to remember the rhetoric trump got before 2016? because they said nearly exactly the same bullet points you just rattled off about him, bud. he was gunna be a flop, not a serious candidate, voters want someone blah blah blah. THEN HE WON AND EVERYONE SCRAMBLED TO BACK PEDDLE THEIR POSITIONS CUZ HINDSIGHT IS 20/20. And you know what you and other people trying to keep GREAT humans down with GREAT ideas don’t have? any actual foresight. you’re just wet blankets who think they’re smart. so take my downvote and suggestion to stfu.
are you too young to remember the rhetoric trump got before 2016?
I’m too old actually, and the elections blend together. Help me out ‘Captain Poofter’: 2016 was the election of Hillary’s shenanigans shafting Bernies campaign and a primary the DNC directly meddled in, right?, where Wasserman-schulz was fired from the DNC and hired to Hillary’s campaign the same day after she cheated for Hillary? then the DNC won a supreme court case arguing that the primary was internal and need not be fair. They can do whatever dirty tricks or fixes they wanted and had no duty to democracy at all – they could even lie about the results if they wanted, and pick someone themselves even after the vote didnt go the way they wanted, literally with smoking cigars in a back room.
That election right? With so much DNC bedshitting and zionist fellating every single cycle, I get the years confused.
Beating you into apathy is exactly what they want.
I think you’re right about not learning from mistakes. Only took 4 years to forget about Trump being one of the worst people on the planet. You’ll probably see 4 or 8 years of Democrats then right back to Republicans.
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America will not vote for a female democrat
Stop repeating failure
yea! because it wasn’t betrayal of the left base, and kowtowing to the establishment, or the botched run for president or the scandals. it was because she was a woman, right.
getting real sick of these garbage people
America isn’t mature enough to elect a female president
Add to this at the next election the republicans will have CBS,CNN,Fox, all the social media platforms, all the AI platforms
It won’t just be this person and their ideas versus the other guys it will be that guy plus social media, AI and the news networks
It’s almost an impossible task
America isn’t going to swing from an extreme right wing government to a liberal female democrat no matter how much you want it to or even whether it’s time or whether it’s the right thing
The goal has to be to win an election
Or you get four years of Peter theils marionette and palantir running every aspect of the us government
America isn’t going to swing from an extreme right wing government to a liberal female democrat
Bingo.
The goal has to be to win an election
Yup. You don’t win elections on idealism alone. If you did, Bernie Sanders would probably be president right now.
Or you get four years of Peter theils marionette and palantir running every aspect of the us government
DING DING. There’s WAY too much at stake to keep swinging and missing.
same thing was said by racists about a black president. turns out if you field a not shit candidate it doesn’t matter. Harris polled to win against trump, so she has the numbers to possibly win by all counts. too bad she snatched failure from the jaws of victory.
i am so sick of people pretending that the loss was because of the candidates gender when they ran a terrible candidate after dragging their feet on joe biden after knowing he was incompetent, at the fourth quarter, skipping a primary, backing both an unpopular genocide, and pushing connections with the establishment. i don’t think there was much she could have done worse. and yet she almost won.
it was because she was a woman, right.
If you don’t think a SIGNIFICANT number of people in this country simply won’t vote for a woman, especially in the geographical areas that matter, you don’t understand the country you live in or how presidential elections work.
Wow the gross pigs are really out in force today.
Accepting the reality of the nation you live in doesn’t make you a gross pig.
Wanting a winning strategy because continually losing has gotten us to the point where we’re losing rights and our Constitution has become toilet paper doesn’t make you a gross pig.
The last two highly qualified women were beaten by a low IQ felon rapist pedo. Trying to elect women to the presidency in this country is a losing strategy and that’s not really up for debate at this point. We aren’t that country yet. Clearly.
HiGlY qUaLiFiEd you neoliberals will blame anything on your losses except shit policy.
How many times are the democrats going to run a woman before they get tired of losing?
out of all the legitimate reasons the democrats lost favor with their base, you cite misogyny. fuck off!
You fuck off. Maybe try facing reality while you’re at it.
no, u.
slap fiiight!!
“I’m not a sexist pig, I just literally can’t help myself when reinforcing and platforming their talking points”
—chunes
More .world team sports.
AOC is a Zionist. Disqualified. Next?
Reality: if you don’t vote or waste your vote because you’re unwilling to make the better bad choice, you are part of the problem.
This one issue voting stuff is a trap, it’s how the USA got where it is today.
Stop knee-jerking and go do something useful.
Voting for a lesser evil only legitimizes evil. I suppose it’s too much to ask for people to have principles though. Our childhood heroes would be ashamed of the adults we have become.
“We should all swear fealty to Saruman, because technically he’s less evil than Sauron.”
To be clear, I’m not talking about AOC, I think she has learned the error of her vote to fund the Iron Dome. But my point stands with regards to any corporate Dem.
This one issue voting stuff is a trap, it’s how the USA got where it is today.
thats … nuts. Issues arent all of equal importance.
School vouchers are not worth single issue voting. Nor is naming of a post office. But something like genocide support, or the civil rights act, or womens right to vote? Each of thsoe are 100% worth single issue voting. I say murder of innocents is important. You evidently …dont care.
If the dems want to run supporting AIPAC bribes again when 80% of the dem voters dont support the Israeli holocaust of Palestine, then the dems will lose again, and they will deserve to lose.
thats … BS. Issues arent all of equal importance which makes your statement nuts.
That’s not what they’re saying at all which makes your statement disingenuous. Why are you talking about naming post offices? It’s the idea is no single, one, issue should be enough to outweigh every single other one.
The people who didn’t vote Kamala to “protest” her on Isreal literally contributed to Trump getting elected. Making the original comment very accurate so it’s kinda wild you’re calling it “nuts”.
Is she really though? I know about her seeming to vote for “defensive weapons” during a MTG ammendment vote as part of a larger negotiation, but theres also this – so maybe she just flubbed the one vote:
Yeah, AOC’s record on Israel isn’t as good as Tlaib’s or Omar’s, but it’s still better than 95% of Democrats. Only an idiot or a liar would call her a Zionist because she didn’t vote for a symbolic amendment for a bill she voted against anyway.
Also, you’ll notice that the people who gleefully brand her a Zionist or a Neoliberal never have an alternative to tell you about. They’ll tell you why every promising progressive is actually an imperialist, or why the DSA are actually corporate shills, why no one is actually a real leftist, but they never have someone they actually want to get elected. They just want to say “no,” or at best, they demand, “next,” without doing any work to find that next person.
Yes, AOC is a Zionist. She believes Israel has a right to exist.
When she runs it will be as a sheepdog candidate like Bernie keeping disenfranchised voters herded up in the party with promises of change and a seat at the table if only they stick around long enough, which is always long enough until they realize theyve been screwed again and it’s too late to form outside coalitions. The DNC has been running these sheepdog campaigns since Reagan
Just what we need AOCIA to continue the zionazi genocide status quo! As fake as Mamdani and Bernie rofl
Now this is just a low effort bot. Like you guys aren’t even trying anymore
Plenty of liberals think this is real.
AOC rides the progressive image by talking positively about Palestine, but she consistently backs the liberal Zionist status quo. She propagates Israel “has a right to exist”, that criticizing Zionists is antisemitic, that resisting genocide is terrorism, that calling for freedom in Palestine is genocidal, etc.
They speak up about Palestinians being slaughtered, but they only frame it as Israel going too far in their legitimate response to being attacked. Like all Zionists, she pretends history started on October 7, She never addresses Palestinian’s right to self defense or resistance to 78 years of ethnic cleansing and colonization, she never condemns the root of the problem, just some individual headlines that will be forgotten.
She’s a neo liberal just like the lot of them, she’s slightly more “progressive” but she works hard to stop the wheel from turning too far left.
Neato
You forgot to call me a Russian bot.
Rejecting that she’s a sellout because the example I’m giving you is one you don’t really care about is going to do you a deservice. You’re simply plugging your head and in the sand and refusing to humor the notion, and she will let you down too in due time.
Certainly a “lesser evil”, a liberal Zionist nonetheless. Can you call someone leftist if they support modern day Nazis for the benefit of the empire?
Really great stuff
ROFL yeah leave it to a nazi.ca user to continue the proud tradition of labeling actual leftists “bots” whenever they speak out against obvious plants to continue the right-wing ratcheting
She is the new Nancy Pelosi
Hardly. This is just a massive misinformation campaign aimed to disenfranchise Democrats and boost Republican turnout.
She’s never shown interest in running for President and most recently has said she has more work and can do more work in Congress.
There’s a reason why this post has been reposted like 5x in the last 24hrs and has gained so much debate. Because it’s made up ragebait.
Edit: if you need more proof just look at the latest push now about Warren from Axios.
She’s never shown interest in running for President
Honestly the best trait of a future president…
We don’t want someone that wants to be president. We need someone who reluctantly steps up because they have the best shoot.
Like the Jeff Winger paintball speech.
She’s the country’s best shot, so regardless of if she wants to be president she needs to run in 2028.
Strategically it would just be stupid to say shes going to now. Which is why billionaire owned media is desperate for her to say she is. Once she says she’s running, she’s the defacto general candidate.
The ideal path is a congressional leadership position in January, and then moving to 2028 presidential. And that could very well already be her plan. She just can’t/shouldn’t say it yet.
The worst leaders are those who are power hungry.
I think “openly not wanting to be president” is actually a bad quality for a future president, though I would vote for AOC over Kamala any day, based on their tiny policy differences. Idk how AOC feels about FRAC mining tho
The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
― Douglas Adams
The exception that proves the rule is people who begrudgingly accept the responsibility out of the greater good.
If you want change, get Chris Smalls, if you want incrementalism get AOC. Why would AOC call Nanci “moma bear”? Because she wants in on that club, and it cost her some time and humiliation, but she is in.
Democrats disenfranchise themselves by running candidates no one wants and never listening to voters. Their wounds are self inflicted.
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Republicans are trying VERY hard to make this stick.
I see a lot of disinfo astroturfing pushing this online, too.
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And the new sheepdog to replace Bernie
She will probably be using the same phrase “Are you ready for a revolution?”
