Sure they voted, but they didn’t vote for this.

Yes. They. Did.

You think politicians are playing political games and not being honest about their intentions is a conspiracy?

You’re not just stating facts though. You’re making a claim that they made an “honest” effort to raise the minimum wage. So far you haven’t substantiated that opinion. What’s your evidence their efforts were honest and not intended to fail?

Boomers didn’t vote for this

As someone who phone banks regularly: They absolutely did. I spoke to hundreds of registered Democratic Boomers. They hated Sanders.

They’re getting a pass because population-wise they had about as much voting power as GenX.

Billionaires wouldn’t be where they are without the help of Boomer voting behaviors for the past 40+ years.

Then you need to establish a plausible reason why politicians who eagerly block strikes would raise the minimum wage.

Me: “Well, they tried that one thing. Here’s what happened for that particular issue, how it was attempted, and how the Senate’s screwed up rules stopped them”

This is you asserting they would fight for American workers if not for “senate’s rules”.

I didn’t change the subject. You’re asserting that if Biden and Democratic politicians had the ability to bump minimum wages they would. I challenged your assertion by demonstrating when Democratic politicians have the power to help American workers they decide in force to side with corporations.

And yes, I did get my point across. I’m glad you acknowledge that.

Of course not. Because if you zoom out it’s pretty obvious Joe Biden and most Democratic politicians are pro-corporate trash who have no interest in fighting for American workers.

They did make one honest effort, at least, and anything else was pretty much doomed.

No. Joe Biden and 44 Democratic senators and 36 Republican senators were not making an honest effort to fight for workers when they voted to block the rail strike in 2022. It doesn’t matter how many times you try to say otherwise. Blocking strikes is anti-worker pro-corporate behavior. Period.

I’d argue at the state level they often have

Californians would like a word.

This reads like you’re trying to blunt his message.

In other words, we lack the data to know if their ‘play it safe’ strategy is the one that results in the most votes, or not.

Zohran and Obama had ridiculously high turnouts. You’re giving establishment Democratic politicians a benefit of the doubt they do not deserve.

But the reason they put garbage candidates forward is because they regard them as a safe bet, not too radical for some, not too weak for others. … they may be right…

How many more times does this strategy need to fail for you to stop saying “they may be right”. At what point do you say progressives and leftists “may be right”?

Plenty of liberals think this is real.

Hey look it’s another genocide supporter.

When the DNC runs candidates who’s campaign promises are status quo, corporate subsidies and serving Israel then yeah, the bigot and sexist vote becomes significant. People need to stop using that as a condemnation of the country as a whole. It’s a condemnation of the two party system, a corrupt or derelict Democratic party or a “democracy” which is no longer functioning.

Meanwhile candidates who actually prioritize American voters can win without the help of bigots. Obama proved this back in 2008 and Zohran has proved things have only gotten better. Not only did he win without the bigot vote but without all the other piece of shit voters who showed up for Cuomo in the general election.

Harris was a garbage candidate. Biden was a garbage candidate. Hillary Clinton was a garbage candidate. American voters as a whole are not responsible for the abhorrent behavior by the DNC and assholes who vote for people like Biden and Cuomo in Democratic primaries.