No way will America vote a latina or a woman, or both.

America elected an African American Man, because he had a 1000 watt smile and knew how to talk pretty on TV.

This 1000 times. People need to stop listening to Democratic consultants who regularly lose elections for the wisdom of who Americans ‘will’ or ‘will not’ vote for.

The biggest issue AOC has and its a liability she hasn’t overcome, and which has actually gotten worse in her tenure, is her political instincts. And I think your point about the hug of death she got from Pelosi speaks volumes. Pelosi took her aside from the rest of the class and basically told her she needed to play ball. And since then AOC has been late-to-the party wayyyy too often. She is regularly getting outlflanked and outplayed on issues she truly, truly should never be vulnerable on.

Two huge red-flags for me: When she got her ankles broken on the court by MTG on weapons to Israel, and her more recent failure to endorse the chief of staff who ran the campaign that got her into office. Not to mention her perpetual machiavelian calculating she does. Its wayyyyyy too similar to Pelosi, and I’m losing faith in her.

What if, perhaps, it was the Jr. Senator from Maine who decided to run in 2028…

Idk if he’s got broad national appeal. Winning a plurality in Maine is very different than competing across California, Texas, and Florida.

I’m just reminded of another Jr. senator who didn’t spend long in the seat, and who went on to take the presidency. Like, I genuinely think Platner is far more electable nationally than anyone we’ve discussed so far. He’s a progressive mind in a maga body. He walks like a chud, talks like a woke.

On Tucker and the right, I think at least the call on Tucker running is spot on, for example, if Vance thinks he “owns” the MAGA movement because he got carried by DJT’s coat tails.

Looking forwards to that Schumer congratulations call.

I’ll be waiting…

Okay apologies I should have been more specific. I meant in the context of our conversation, as in “Who could run 3rd party and win, if the Dems insist on a corpo-Dem and Republicans continue to be Republicans”…

The obvious answer is AOC.

I don’t think she could win as a 3rd party candidate and her political instincts are kinda shit.

The pro-tier answer is JB Pritsker.

This is a good answer but are they the kind of person looking to challenge establishment power?

The dream answer is just sneaking into a Pete Buttigieg campaign rally and having Mamdani hit him with a steel chair, then take over the thing whole cloth.

The joke answer is Hasan Piker.

I want to live in that timeline. But here’s a curveball for you since this is the thread were in…

What if, perhaps, it was the Jr. Senator from Maine who decided to run in 2028…

Edit: realized this was a different post than I thought (I thought we were in the Mills thread). Not changing the text.

I think you’re underselling how influential an outsider could be if both parties ran really disappointing candidates.

I mean, look, we’re in a politics forum thats practically a shitpost-tier. From my own perspective… I think Bernie should have ran Independent in 16’, '20, and '24 after the bullshit the Dem’s pulled. I personally reject almost all of the traditional “wisdom” of whats possible in politics.

But just because you or I think those things, there is a form of permission wall ideas like these have to get through. Or at least media believe it has the ability to shut down strategies like this.

I keep trying to think about who should run for President on the left in 2028, and I keep feeling like I don’t have an option to put forwards. Do you have any suggestions for candidates you think could run this outside power strategy?

As an aside, I don’t think the US would elect from a third party, for President. However, I do think the US would elect an independent to the Presidency. There is just too much legacy baggage and propaganda against third parties in the US.

I look at it same as Mamdani.

We need to show people a good example of these policies in practice. And this addresses the criticism of only going for President or higher office.

Its a city with more people in it than 25 states.

Ayyyy any blue will do amirite?

Is this to distract from the assassination?

Bruh did that actually happen?

Alex Jones looks like he was constructed from a toilet paper roll and pipe cleaners

Yeah I was in California visiting family who watch TV. I haven’t had a TV with like, traditional local/ cable news on it, basically ever, and I’ve had practically no exposure since like, season 6 or 7 of the Simpsons. NGL, just seeing how far the brain rot has gone. Its like, actually mind-blowing and I feel like normies who aren’t versed in media analysis or criticism are legitimately cooked.

Aaaanyways… to the point.

Between episodes of Price is Right and other forms of propaganda, 100% of the ads were either for Steyer or against Steyer. The family member I was with could only name Steyer, in terms of name recognition. They couldnt name another single name of anyone else on stage.

Any one watch that debate? Porter the most polished but all the focus seems to be on Steyer.

So never.

If this guy thinks its a threat, its probably where you should be putting your energy.

75%?