More importantly, I kiss your mother with this mouth; but generally I’m not here to placate your sensibilities. You being utterly oblivious to reality is a you problem and if you want to tone police, go back to reddit.

Bernie and he still couldn’t fund a full war chest at a time with much better financial conditions for small donors

Are you an idiot? Like an actual “has paperwork about the matter” idiot?

Bernie didn’t lose because of fundraising. And every campaign since Bernies 2016 has practically carbon copied their approach to fundraising because what Bernie did was so preposterously effective. They redefined what is possible in politics because their approaches were so effective. Like you could not possibly have picked a worse example than Bernie for that point.

Second, and this is implicit in your statement, is the also wrong premise that more fundraising == more viable candidate. This is also not true. Yes modern political campaigns are more expensive but most raising != most likely to win candidate.

Yeah I don’t agree with that characterization what-so-ever and its one that seems completely oblivious to the actually politics and processes which have manifested in the modern Democratic party, outside of, and I agree with, that the party is multiple ideologies in a trenchcoat.

but an inability to raise the funds to support a coherent organization or run a campaign,

I mean this is just not fucking true. Just straight made up wholecloth.

but significant funding from corporate owners and the resources to manage a large, national scale organization.

What you think parties just drop in from the sky?

But also neither party is viable on its own because of the structure of the US electoral system.

Also, objectively not true. Mandami was opposed by both the DNC and the RNC.

but an inability to raise the funds to support a coherent organization or run a campaign,

Just… also not fucking true.

You should stop just shitting words out your ass.

It absolutely was. The skyrocketing unemployment - nearly 15% at its peak - left millions of people with nothing to do but protest. Unemployment waves and protest movements are practically joined at the hip.

Yeah but the point is the movement those people funneled into ended up being BLM (or BLM adjacent), because BLM was at its peak in terms of growth and organizing. Had it been 2009, maybe those same people funnel into Occupy Wallstreet. Call it happenstance of history, and I’m not saying that BLM was borne of a whistle and milk from a thistle at twilight the year of 2019. But it was present when people had the time to take to the streets. And my point that the BLM agenda didn’t find its way into electoralism until ~2018-2020 is the primary point. It took 10 years, but in 2020, it became a central primary issue among Democrats. The points of grievance found their way into the presidential platform in the 2020 election.

I might argue that the anti-Vax movement saved Republicans more than BLM won it for Democrats.

I think to be charitable we’d have to call it a wash. It was practically the same forces funneling people into both movements, and like you said, in-spite of both sides getting more turnout, the resulting victories were marginal. So I come back to the first point, that Trumps government and management of COVID becomes the theme. And if they had just… not been such moron, if they had even been nominally competent, I think Trump wins the 2020 election handily.

I’d call 2020 the “COVID election”, as the defining issue of that period was how to respond to the pandemic. Dems would have still won in a landslide without a BLM movement, in the same way Obama won in 2008, and for much the same reasons. The economic downturn pumped up angry anti-incumbent voters and turned out more apathetic centrists for Biden than MAGA shitheads. Israel was barely on the radar.

I think you bring up some good points, but it wasn’t COVID putting hundreds of thousands into the streets on a weekly basis. But also, it kind-of was, in that there was at least some financial support people were getting for a brief period of time, and this allowed them to fully express their politics. The amount of 2016 versus 2020 BLM protests; its not even comparable. 2016 BLM was still coming together as a movement; it built its strongest momentum from 2017-19, and 2020 it peaked. Those politics directly translated into what issues were being discussed during the primary, and subsequently the national campaign. It was the 2020 election where BLM’s set of grievances found their way into campaigns as campaign promises/ discussion points on debate stages/ etc.

Without BLM providing outside pressure in the form of movement politics, I don’t think Dem’s win in 2020. I also don’t think Dem’s win in 2020 without Trumps utterly failed COVID response. If they (T*) would have just, not been so fucking stupid/ hamfisted by leaning into the anti-vax shit, inject bleach shit, they could have taken credit for the CDC rapid response; even a barely competent political actor should have been able to manage this.

TLDR, the Dem’s barely won in 2020 and without BOTH COVID and BLM, there is no practical way they could have won. Even with both in play, Trumps own incompetence could arguably have been the most impactful factor.

You can’t build a strong base of support if your first alliance is to a rogue state.

The strategic doctrine of Democrats is the same as venture capitol. They do not build movements, they hijack them, coopt, and enshittify such that you have no other options. Their goal isn’t to cultivate a field of the best possible strategies, ideologies, or politics, their goal is to reduce the number of potential option to one between them, and an objectively horrendous option, and the result, is that most people opt out.

I bring this up because what I would consider the “BLM election” (Dems lose 2020 without the BLM movement) brought into power the most pro-Israel American politician to date. You can’t be for racial justice and equality at home when your #1 funding source is also the #1 source of racial injustice and inequality abroad.

DNC politicians are not movement builders, the are movement hijackers. They’ll always fail towards toothlessness.

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here, but it sounds like your argument is that the DnC has no practical method of decreasing the power of PACs, so they shouldn’t try?

I don’t know here nor there on that, but the news cycle right now was more about AIPAC versus other PACs etc. So it was specifically about making a statement about Israel and AIPAC but then homie tried to make it about all PACs but that’s practically impossible. ok fine.

Then don’t make it about PACs and make it about Israel. Israel is a pariah and has been since 2023 and before. You lose elections if they’re on your side and even the rightwing commentariate understands this (see last week’s news breaking down Carlson, Jones, Owens etc… breaking with Trump over Israel). They get it. Everyone hates Israel so if you are trying to win an election, don’t be aligned with Israel.

The point of the motion within the DNC was less about PACs and more about creating distance with Israel.

Christians are unhinged

Yeah but plenty are on hinge amirite?

big wins for them because their only strategy was to be AntiTrump

Do you mean the DNC or individual campaigns? Because as a party Democratic campaigns, especially in orimaries, are not monolithic. Some get leadership or dccc or dsc support, but they are mostly independent.

The last major thing that the DNC was responsible for was Harris.

Guess we will see next election.

I mean we’re having elections all the time, and trends are very very clear. Trump is extremely unpopular but so is DNC leadership. Schumer and Jefferies are basically persona non grata when it comes to endorsements. Deep Trump districts are handing back 15+ points but only if there is an authentic candidate to vote for. But the civil war within the DNC is real. Leadership doesn’t want to hand back power and would happily sabotage races to get to pick the loser.

Maybe you just don’t follow politics or elections? But we have elections every couple weeks. It’s an ongoing assessment.

Best I can do is sheepdogging and pre-blaming you for the failures of the corporate establishement

-BlueMAGA

Dems are setting themselves up to be routed in 2028. Mark it.

The MAGA influencer squad are already running an interception campaign between the movement and Trump. They’ll get the first 30% of early movers, and the hogs, well, all they do is follow. It’s already happening and has been happening for years. Now it’s coming to a boil.

This cohort holds most of their audience, and is setting up a clear chain of rhetoric they’ll be able to use to back up their claims that Trump was the problem all along. They’ll get to dismiss the baggage and keep the white supremacy, Christian nationalism, and authoritarianism.

The Democrats have had one, and only one lane to victory. And as a party they’ve fully ceded to the fact that they are a pro-war, pro-genocide, pro corporate money, pro Israel party. There are individuals who break the mold, but they are few and the party works to sabotage them, while media questions if they should be in the party at all. Then you’ve got the same hogs on the dem side, eating up all the same slop and vomiting it back, doing the on the ground work of preventing the party from embracing it’s identity as a left wing party.

The Dems are cooked right now, and it’s because as a party they conditioned their voters to accept little and less under the mantra of ABWD and strategic voting. The strategy resulted in a party less popular than Donald Trump, who is probably the least popular president of all time.

They’re going to be outflanked by this cohort of MAGAz who are successfully intercepting Trump’s movement from the larger RNC.

What the fuck?

That was my initial thought.

Republican and Democratic hawks:

I think it is.

Al Jazeera has Israel reporters saying this caught Israel off guard. Officials saying it caught them completely surprised

you could…

Should probably post advocacy links elsewhere.

a money spinner

I’m sorry. What the fuck is a money spinner?

Well now it goes brrrrrrn’t