If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.
… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.
A recount requires a vote to be close, it wasn’t. Trump won every swing state. And with the margins he won by, every recount in the world would not overcome the 86 EVs she trailed by.
The election results were very close - and it was a big election, some ballots were rejected, there were bomb threats and there were also statistical anomalies. She should have asked for a recount.
Pity maybe not, but understanding definitely. If that were me ya’ll picked Trump over I’d tell all ya’ll to fuck right off while I prep a boat to Europe. Then all the people saying I should stay out of it would be bitching that I’m not participating anymore.
Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.
If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Sending a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help was basically her campaign.
Europe would be the worst pick for Harris. Maybe the Philippines or other thinly disguised police state.
So just half of Europe?
If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
Exactly why she’s not a leader. A leader understand that you don’t have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she’s upset about anything, it’s that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
Is she even considering running at all?
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.
Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, “make me sound inspirational” concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She’s plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.
No.
If you voted 3rd party in a FPTP election, you are functionally indistinguishable from a non-voter. You can talk about your principles all you want, but by the mechanics of the electoral system you are exactly equivalent to a non-voter.
Exactly the opposite of reality. FPTP does not preclude third parties from winning, hence the existence of the republican party. It does mean you have to vote your principles and not strategically vote. If everyone voted for the party that most closely aligned with their principles, neither the Dems or repubs would ever wing the presidency and would never hold a majority in any Congress at any level.
Incorrect. I can justify any number of results with such a monumental “if”. Any strategy based on such a large number of people suddenly changing their voting tendency in such a way is unworkable. As one party splinters, the other is heavily incentivized to stay together and easily win. It’s a game of chicken; the first party to break ranks is doomed. People understand this on an intuitive, tribalistic level. Fracturing the less monolithic party will only strengthen the more monolithic one. That is reality.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
Hard disagree, as again, the republican party exists. It was a third party.
Practically no one votes strategically. The vast majority of voters vote the same as their parents and/or peers. The extreme minority of voters that care about issues vote for whatever party of the two that suits them best at the time.
But bigger than all these groups are the eligible voters that think nothing will change because people like you tell them they only have two options, so they don’t vote.
Because neither option is good. There is Nazi, and there is the group that appoints nazis. Both exist solely for their own power and wealth. Neither help people until the riots get too violent. So why vote. Why care?
So either we introduce a third party or more, and maybe give some hope, or we let the uniparty continue to win and we all have to survive a balkanized US when it collapses.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
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You’re talking to someone who was vehemently campaigning for her during the general. She didn’t fail any purity test. She failed at having a good strategy, and it was pretty obvious at the time she was making a big gamble. And I articulated this during the election, while telling all the 3rd party voters on lemmy that they were fucking morons.
Don’t waste your time on a troll.
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Kamala is trash, simple as. She failed horrendously.
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what’s gonna win the votes
“We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!”
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It’s in the headline.
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
She ran on exactly the same thing as Biden and backtracked on everything progressive she said in previous campaigns.
Cops are not progressive, they protect the interests of the state, not it’s people
Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That’s not to imply she’s a good choice, only that she’s an obvious choice.
Good point 👍
Anecdotally, my sister does. I was baffled when she said it and had to try my best to respond politely, because she’s the only other person in my family who isn’t a Republican.
From my perspective, she bombed out of 2020 despite being a media darling cast as the frontrunner, and then was just handed the nomination in 2024 without a real primary and still lost, both of which demonstrate she has terrible political instincts and isn’t popular enough to win. From her perspective, the fact that she dropped out in 2020 before any votes were casts means she was never given a fair chance, and the fact that she was handed the nomination meant she didn’t have enough time to make her case and the unusual circumstances are what caused her to lose, and if she just had another chance she’d nail it.
I’m pretty sure she’s an outlier though and most people are just saying Kamala because of name recognition.
Your sister is pointing at every tree while missing the forest.
I’m fine with her running in a Primary.
This bro lives in a bubble with steel plating.
Nah, thats you.
A lot more people show up to listen to people like AOC. Harris is MIA.
Get out of your bubble
A crowd of 30,000 in a metropolitan area of 3 Million people. We don’t need our best to draw the biggest crowds we need them to get the most votes.
Harris polls in 1st place
Lemmy Leftists: “no one wants Harris!”
Y’all are in a bubble.
Harvard poll: 72% of Dem voters prefer more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and AOC over moderates like Harris.
Lemmy Leftists: Yes.
Cryophilia: Y’all are in a bubble.
Unfortunately that poll had some very loaded wording in it that doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion it’s trying to present
From page 20:
Do you support more Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and “fight harder”, or moderate Democrats who are willing to compromise on Trump issues important to their base?
72% of Democratic voters answered “yes”.
Go ahead and point out this alleged “loaded wording”.
You don’t see it?
You’re assuming that because they want more candidates to obstruct the current administration, that they would also prefer those candidates and throw actual policies in every other situation.
Because they mixed progressive and opposing the admin together in one question, you can’t tell which part is really what they’re agreeing with.
Using this specific question to claim they want more progressive candidates is futile. This is basic polling literacy stuff…
The problem is that you think people are too stupid to understand the question, and only you are smart enough to figure it out.
It’s a basic question asking if people prefer Dems like AOC and Sanders, who have a more aggressive stance against Trump, over moderate Dems who will compromise with Trump. It’s very straightforward.
Nowhere did I imply I was the only one who could understand it. What i did say was that the was this was worded could not be taken to mean the same as the stripped down version you presented.
Half of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level. This is NOT a straightforward question in the way you’re claiming. In case you haven’t been paying attention, this country is full of absolute morons who continue to vote against their own interests because of some memes on the Internet…
Harris is guaranteed to lose 2028 if she is somehow the dem nominee instead of the republican nominee. There aren’t enough right wingers willing to abandon the name republican to vote for her.
She just hasn’t moved to the right enough yet! How many more cheneys are there? Any more minorities to break solidarity with?
We’ll see how your fucking bubble turns out when the time comes. Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary? Batshit.
Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary?
These are democratic primaries we’re talking about.
One she already lost once. And was given the role without a vote the second time.
Exactly. As long as the nominee isn’t progressive, they’ll move heaven and earth to make sure our options are fascism and second worst to fascism. Regardless of who wins. The party prefers hereditary dictatorship headed by the trump family over a progressive in any seat for any length of time.
She has never won a Democratic primary in her life.
The same ones shes literally already lost before? Insane.
It’s literally in the title. First place.
What an obnoxious and aggressive person. Yikes
This is why Kamala Harris famously won the 2020 nomination and went on to become president, because she was polling in first place before the campaign process started.
It’s in the title, dude. First place.
Yeah, just like she was in 2019 before the campaign started, which is why she was elected president.
I guess the difference is that those polls were only like a year out from the election while this one’s over three years away. Maybe that means this one will be more meaningful?? Somehow???
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know…) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
The fact that Harris is considered as an option indicates your statement is correct.
I jumped the gun, its still bad but AOC has the best net favorability out of them all. Harris has the most support by sheer name recognition. Its bad that people don’t know who AOC is though.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone. You’re way more up to speed on the options than the average American voter. We need to put energy into getting people like AOC in front of as many disengaged and unaware people as possible. NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
We are closer than we’ve ever been in my lifetime.
I’m curious, do Americans even have a “Modern World” class that explains current world politics in high school?
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone.
Yeah I read the article, that headline is almost misleading in its support for Harris if anything. AOC has the best net
NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
I shouldn’t have to educate grown adults on shit this important they ought to desire to learn on their own. They should know who the hell AOC is JFC. So I’m still disgusted, just significantly less so. And like, I’ll inevitably try to promote AOC, but I don’t owe this country shit. I want to leave, I only can’t thus far due to money/resources.
This poll is pretty pointless, as far as actually getting to know who people specifically want. The top runner this far out is pretty much always the last person to have run, because the political climate hadn’t changed that much and nobody has campaigned for the next nomination yet.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
Embarrassing (for me)… upon actually reading the article, the headline is almost misleading. AOC has the highest net favorability of them all, and Harris is only past her due to name recognition.
I’m baffled how there is that many people unaware of AOC though.
That’s alright, happens to the best of us.
As for AOC’s recognition, It’s not too surprising, given that she’s a House Rep. Who hasn’t held a leadership role. I’d bet that a lot of people haven’t even heard of Hakeem jeffries, and he’s the party leader in the House. The last time a House Rep. Got elected President was in 1880, with James Garfield. As time goes on though, her notoriety is likely to keep increasing. As will her popularity, I suspect, or at least I hope.
Why on earth would you run kamala again? The democrats can’t afford to learn anymore lessons. School is out. Time to start producing.
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
democrats would nominate trump if the alternative was a progressive.
Because they still believe “put in your time and wait your turn” is how the world works
They’re never going to learn. It’s time to tea party them, by 2028 we need a strong enough progressive faction to force them to cooperate or be replaced
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
Because you thought watching her faceplant in 2020 was hilarious and you want a repeat.
can’t afford to learn anymore lessons.
Lol!!! They can afford the whole school!! They are laughing hand in hand with Republicans all the way to the bank!!
“BUT THEY ARE BETTER THO!”
Objectively, they are better.
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She’s expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while “your” party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
The filibuster is also a tool the democratic party isn’t using. No point in keeping something that only helps one side.
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS!!! ELECTIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS THAT VOTING WILL NOT SAVE US.
Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
They’re going to fuck us again. They thrive on failure. Weaponized ineptitude.
Feels like controlled opposition. I know we need to engage with the democratic party because they’re the best we got but JFC can they stop sucking corporate dick for 5 seconds.
The DNC is a Corp. They are literally controlled opposition. And if we can’t find some way to work around them this country doesn’t have a future.
Republicans cannot win in free and fair elections. It’s why they’ve worked tirelessly for decades to ensure elections are neither free nor fair. Our foe on the path to progress isn’t the Republicans. It’s corporate democrats.
They’ve got dicks in their ears and eyes as well. Its a real problem thats not likely to get solved except maybe purely performatively. We should really be appealing to corporate sponsors and the government of Israel if we want real change in the US democratic party.
As much fun as that sounds, they won’t get a chance to fuck us again. Not really anyway. Maybe a performative dance, but that’d be it.
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Running Harris was a mistake in 2024 and it would be a mistake if it happens in 2028
Wasn’t Harris their only option since Biden took so long to drop out?
She was the only one that could legally access campaign funds since there was no time for a primary.
It was either going to be him or her and both options were far from ideal.
Not quite, the DNC was still ahead. But democrats didn’t want the optics of a last-minute open primary where the candidates rip into each other trying to get the nomination on live TV. Plus Kamala herself seemed to move quickly and wanted the nomination before anyone had a chance to get a word in.
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I’m so tired.
I’d vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn’t excited about it.
Who the fuck is thinking about 2028?!? I’m just trying to get out of 2024 alive.
You did it! 🎉
Did we though?
Yup! We in 2025 now. Hopefully we’re still alive by 2028.
Physically. But psychically?
If you’re still in 2024 you should be a lot happier than the 2025 you. In 2024 we were saying damnit that idiot got voted in again, 2025 we are saying fuck, US democracy is being dismantled, the Republicans are all for it, and some stupid Democrats are helping, wtf!
You didn’t know that was going to happen in 2024?
Tbf, a lot didn’t hear about Project 2025, and I’m sure those who did… were like, “noooo! I can’t see that happening.”
But me watching this video before election, I was like “fuck! I can’t see that happening.” https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no
With Trump it’s hard to know with certainty what will happen, between flipflops and flat-out lying. I think the speed with which the various government agencies collapsed/capitulated before Musk & DOGE, and the capitulation of universities over Palestine protests and ICE, were not things anyone could predict. One could predict the rest of the Republicans would go along with all that stuff, but surprised the Democrats are not always fully unified against.
If only your drmocrat handlers let you vote for who you want and not for who they choose.
What shock? AOC is the only one in that party with clear positioning
It’s why suddenly the “How DARE Sanders allegedly say that Warren might have a hard time because she’s a woman” wing of the party is now like “Women can’t win” as soon as a progressive woman is seizing the moment.
wOmEn ArE uNeLeCtAbLe
- the party that has only tried running GOP-lite corpo women
A poll looking 3 years ahead is about as accurate as an astrological chart (and just to be clear, those are worthless).
Why does the Democratic party have a hard on for running failed politicians? Kamala lost, let others step up. AOC would do great in the Dem Primaries
