It’s just bizarre how much drama around Bidens declining health, which is normal for a person of his age. But not a single peep about massive corruption by Trump, dismissal of laws and actual criminal shit like sexual assault of women.
Pretty sure Stewart’s point is exactly that. They’re putting out a book now to have “content” instead of going after trump for the real content. Like Puppy-Killer Noem, his secretary of Homeland Security not knowing Habeas Corpus. or, blatantly stating the exact opposite before a congressional hearing.
the stuff in CNN’s book was news years ago- and they talked about it years ago, too. CNN is complicit
I think his point was more that politicians are just so used to coverups and lying that they do it even when it’s right in front of our faces. We could see for our own eyes that Biden was unfit to run, but were gaslit up until the debate when he stood down.
And the same things are all true of Trump; we can see with our own eyes how unqualified he is, but everyone insists on pretending otherwise.
Yeah. I feel like almost everyone misunderstands Jon. He calls out shitty government behavior.
Republicans being a bursting cornucopia are statistically certain to spend more time in his sights, but Jon has never given Dems a “pass”. Also, his monologues aren’t just “Republicans dumb”, they’re incredibly informative about how the systems are supposed to work. He sneaks in legitimate government literacy lessons. Jon is a genius of our time.
This is what every other comedian trying to be Jon… Even on the tonight show, doesn’t seem to have internalized.
Jon deserved a break… But his original retirement left such a void.
I still haven’t figured out how to download only the Monday episodes of TDS. Until then I guess I’m stuck watching on yt. The others are OK but Jon makes the show.
This!
Both of my parents have dementia. I have relatives that died after living with dementia for a while.
Biden’s level of dementia takes 3-6 years to reach that point. There is no way people around him and higher ups in democratic party didn’t know he had dementia.
Agreed. Lying is the default. No one is surprised at all if politicians lie. And theres no accountability because of it, so why not lie.
I don’t know, I feel like I hear about Trump’s corrupt ass every day as long as I’m not watching Fox.
People are just grumpy at Biden and his team because they helped this guy get back in office. At the end of the day, it’s not about Biden. It’s about us being stuck with Trump.
Kinda horseshit. Everyone knew trump. Only people responsible for trump 2.0 are those that voted for him or didn’t care enough to vote.
That has Jack shit to do with Biden. A Ham sandwich is a better alternative and we should stop giving cover to shitty people acting like it was at all any contest.
Kinda horseshit. The Democratic Party needs to stop racing to the bottom and running candidates that are so bad they can only win against garbage like Trump. Because sometimes they’re even wrong about that. Apparently 2/3 of the time.
It goes far beyond conspiracy theories at this point: Most major media outlets and centralized social media platforms in the world are sanewashing the entire conservative bloc in America.
They’re literally copying Germany in the 1930s, with secret police, sending people to camp based on ethnicity(For all those who seem to not know: Dachau concentration camp was opened in 1933, thousands held there by 1934), etc. Elon Musk did a full blow, Hitler style Nazi salute on stage during the inaugration celebration, twice. And all the media, including pages like Snopes, are acting like “It’s impossible to tell what he actually meant”.
This isn’t, “drama around Bidens declining health,” it’s another symptom of a sickness within the Democratic party. Ruth Bader Ginsberg refused to retire when Obama was in office, so her death gave Donald Trump another Supreme Court nomination. Dianne Feinstein would not leave office despite having severe dementia, and instead died during her term. Jerry Connolly was made Democratic Chair of the House Oversight Committee despite being diagnosed with esophageal cancer. He died yesterday, made him the third House Democrat to die in the last 2 months.
The Democratic Party is led by geriatrics who refuse to relinquish power even as they drop dead in office. We should drag every single person who knew about Biden’s failing mental state into the light and make sure they never work in politics again. We should demand to know if his cancer diagnosis was known before the election, and if not, why he didn’t receive a cancer screening for over a decade. We need accountability for the people who allowed the party to reach this state. And before 2026, we need to go to every single House and Senate Democrat over the age of 65 and say, “Thank you for your service, but you’re retiring now. Would you like to endorse anyone for your seat?”
Jon Stewart, in particular, talks about Trump’s corrupt and illegal activities on a regular basis and has been doing so for a long time.
I think its a bias built around expectations. For some kids who like to rub feces on their faces and have a low IQ, you are just happy if they smell fine and dont disrupt the class. For other kids we assert a normal civilized standard of politeness, cleanliness, and output. If the teachers/administrators mess up too much, maybe the feces smearer gets pushed into a position of influence in the class out of desperation.
To move forward with the metaphor, we had higher standards for a democrat-- or we used to-- and we expect corruption and nastiness from republicans. And when the kids who we know to not have low potential start whining that how come they dont get treated with the tolerance we have of the face feces smearer, they get slapped and told thats not a measure they should be aspiring to. We dont judge ourselves by the lowest common denominator. We strive to live our lives better that that. The slap is a hint not to dwell in the gutter.
edit: and yes, I’m an old person who got slapped plenty growing up. And I grew up just fine and am now a joy to be around. (but yes, maybe rhetorical slapping is best)
One name for this phenomenon of higher standards is “the bigotry of high expectations” (as opposed to the ‘soft bigotry of low expectations’).
It’s up to regular people to create that stuff and share it but we just don’t.
But not a single peep about massive corruption by Trump, dismissal of laws and actual criminal shit like sexual assault of women.
What?
You seriously have heard anything about that? That’s absolutely unbelievable, even rightwing news sources talk about it to deny it.
Where are you getting your news from that you haven’t heard any of that stuff?
And his mental decline. Let’s not pretend Trump is in peek physical and mental shape like the news is telling us.
My wife said the same thing about the Bob Woodward books.
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Woodward-Trilogy/Bob-Woodward/9781982198916
Do the reporting FIRST, THEN do the book tour!
Roll back to Watergate, it was a news story FIRST, then a book.
Or the excellent reporting by David Cay Johnston - report that shit first THEN write the book.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/291700/perfectly-legal-by-david-cay-johnston/9781591840695
Woodward’s contemporary books are full of bombshell allegations that made absolutely zero tangible difference to anything at all. Yes, you get the never-before-heard juicy gossip; no, putting it in the papers didn’t matter. We all witnessed the downstream effects live as they happened.
I have War right here. It’s a great look into the minds and personalities and motivations of the figures discussed. But at this point it frankly feels like those scientific studies that empirically confirm things that “everyone already knows.”
My thoughts exactly. Lost a ton of respect for him over that.
I don’t think the Washington Post of today would print an article with dirt on the president.
Oh, you know they would not, nor the LA Times, or the New York Times.
Jokes aside, Stewart acknowledged: “How fucking weird it is that the news is selling you a book about news they should have told you was news a year ago, for free.”
“I understand the excitement over an insidious Democratic cover-up about Joe Biden’s mental decline,” he added. “The thing is though, it was a terrible cover-up, because we all fucking knew.”
“There was no cover-up – poll after poll showed vast majorities of the public thought Biden was too old and too out of it to run again,” he continued. “Dean Phillips mounted an entire primary campaign because of it.”
“He along with most of the public knew it was a bad idea for Biden to run. We knew it,” Stewart concluded. “And that’s what’s so hilarious about politicians. The cover-up doesn’t work when everyone knows you’re lying.”
Literally the only reason some people think Biden was a good president, is he’s sandwiched between trump.
So much shit that Biden did would have been completely unacceptable pre-2016.
Like Stewart said, it wasn’t even a good coverup. Everyone could tell Biden was cooked, the admin and party just refused to admit reality exactly like trump is now.
They pulled a weekends at Bernie’s and when called out their only defense was obvious lies.
This also happened to some extent with Reagan. While it wouldn’t be another 5 years after his presidency when he was officially diagnosed with Alzheimers, it was speculated there were issues during his presidency.
As usual Jon Stewart is mad about the right thing.
I love all the broken clock mfs in here. I’ll concede that everyone, including myself, thought he (and trump) were too old to be running because they’re both mentally declining in different ways.
We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden. He had a shit debate and everyone suddenly acts like they knew something was wrong other than just getting old, being propped up on cold meds or whatever the official excuse was. Prostate cancer doesn’t cause these symptoms.
That said, the big question would be whether or not it was known he had cancer and was getting treatment for it, the effects of treatment certainly would be hard on someone mentally, their mental capabilities, and physically. Hiding that shit and running him for office again would be fucked up.
We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden. He had a shit debate and everyone suddenly acts like they knew something was wrong other than just getting old, being propped up on cold meds or whatever the official excuse was. Prostate cancer doesn’t cause these symptoms.
Sure, no one would have known about the prostate cancer, but plenty of people had been questioning Biden’s mental fitness since 2020, and they were called ageist by pundits. Stewart himself was accused of aiding Trump for running a segment on Biden’s strange mental gaffes just weeks before the debate. If people like Tapper had been doing their jobs instead of deferring to the administration, we would have had answers, not questions.
Funny how nobody is calling Trump out on his mental fitness. Could you imagine the outrage if Biden had said and done half the shit Trump has. Such a double standard.
First of all, there have been dozens of articles about Trump’s mental fitness. Second, Biden’s decline was sharper and more noticeable; that’s why, even though they both sounded like rambling old men during the debate, Biden came off worse. Finally, Trump’s mental fitness is usually people’s third concern behind his authoritarianism and corruption. Anyway, now that we’ve addressed that, it would be great if you could give a shit that Democratic party insiders hid the President’s cognitive decline from the country.
I’m loving the responses to your comment that just say, “There’s articles.”
Like seriously what do they think shaped the whole “ Biden is too old” narrative? It wasn’t articles. It was regular people making jokes, memes, and content that caught on.
Meanwhile, the left was busy Googling for articles like that was gonna shift culture.
Go figure the left treating this like a research paper. Why the fuck are we like this.
I mean, the whole point of “he is too old” Is because 80 it’s too old. It is wether or not anyone had secret knowledge of Biden’s decline. It was a correct assessment, and his debate was just validation of what was already known
It wasn’t just that. There was prior evidence because he made one appearance every two months under very controlled circumstances and even then he looked lost as shit, confused, wandering, and whenever he talked into a mic you only got thirty seconds of sense out of him before he’d ramble about nonsense.
Obviously being old and in mental decline is not something people have issues with. Look at your current president.
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Why do you feel the need to call what I said “bullshit”, then proceed to say almost exactly what I just said?
Maybe I’m reading it wrong and you’re saying there were plenty of people calling out his mental decline before the debate. I sure as hell was, and got called every name in the book for not supporting Joe, our shining hope on the mount, despite countless obvious examples of his senility, and the steep slide in the polls based on that.
I’ll remove that comment and others can decide if that’s where you were going with it.
I’ll concede that everyone, including myself, thought he (and trump) were too old to be running because they’re both mentally declining in different ways.
This pretty much said what you replied, even if not as vehemently.
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What the whole Biden situation boils down to is this: At no point in history has a Presidential candidate ever been replaced as late in the campaign as the 2024 campaign was by the time people started seriously calling for Biden to step aside (i.e. after the debate.) The only close equivalent was in 1968, when Lyndon B. Johnson declined to run much earlier in the campaign, and it still resulted in a victory for Richard Nixon. Still, when confronted with a choice between fascism and not-fascism, many people (including many of the people in this very thread) decided to devote all their effort to throwing stones at the not-fascism side.
When Biden did finally step aside, surprise surprise, it resulted in a victory for fascism. Congratulations.
Biden had zero chance of winning even based on the more accurate polling that his campaign had. Polling, by the way, that he ignored for literally months that could have been spent shaping Kamala’s campaign or running a primary. The polling showed over 400 electoral votes to Trump and Biden in his infinite stubbornness only subscribed to people that stroked his ego (Joe Scarborough) and refused to step down until leaders like Nancy Pelosi started threatening him.
They wouldn’t have done a primary anyway because they knew Kamala (their chosen corporate candidate) would have gotten absolutely wrecked. She didn’t get a single delegate in the 2020 primaries.
We’ve been living in unprecedented times for at least a decade now. It’s no longer relevant.
Biden only dropped out because it was no longer feasible for him to win. He was perfectly willing to die in office knowing he was no longer fit for the job.
If he had made it clear he wouldn’t run at least the year before, we could have likely avoided another Trump term.
If they did and the article was posted to this community it would’ve been buried by downvotes
Nah:
https://lemmy.world/post/17391979?scrollToComments=true
That’s what Stewart is saying in this article, Biden’s mental difficulties wasn’t a surprise, we all knew about it.
The problem is the people ghost riding his presidency, mainstream media, and the old DNC all just chose to close ranks, deny reality, and insist Biden was as healthy as a man half his age despite all the evidence to the contrary.
But I remember last year
Wow, this thread is full of Russian bots and Trump supporters. Biden is the picture of health, extremely spry and cognizant, personally, I thought he handled himself very well in the debates, despite the media attacking him unfairly over his stutter. Regardless, he’s the nominee, whether you like him or not, no amount of complaining will change that. He’s the lesser evil so we’re stuck with him and you just have to vote for him, unconditionally.
Reported by folks who don’t get sarcasm. It’s like we need a new font or something.
Yeah, because voting third party has got you what so far? You’re just a pot calling a kettle black. Both you and the people you’re making fun of are equally useless.
Yeah, because voting third party has got you what so far?
The poor performance got the DNC to elect a nonbiased chair for the first time in over half a century…
If that doesn’t sound huge to you, it just means you don’t know enough about America’s political history.
Ripping the DNC out of the neoliberals cold dead hands was fucking huge.
What? In 2024 stein got 870k, RFK got 750k, Oliver got 650k and de la Cruz got 168k.
In 2020 jogergensen got 1.85 mil, Hawkins got 400k de la Fuente got 90k, and a few others around the same
In 2016 Johnson got 4.4 mil, stein got 1.4 mil, mcmullin got 730k.
If anything, third party voting has gone down. How can you claim that was because of third party voting? Poor performance from the DNC doesn’t mean good performance for third party.
The poor performance got the DNC to elect a nonbiased chair for the first time in over half a century…
Did we have to have the conversation about how turnout depression is what happens and not people voting 3 rd party?
You’re jumping around a lot, you claimed people voted 3rd party, and now are saying not enough votes 3rd party to cost Biden/Kamala the election?
There’s no logical consistency between your two comments, they’re openly contradicting each other…
I never said people voted third party. I said objection voted third party because that’s what he was arguing for a few months ago.
I never said people voted third party
Ok trump…
Yeah, because voting third party has got you what so far? You’re just a pot calling a kettle black. Both you and the people you’re making fun of are equally useless.
No one mentioned it till you brought it up, claimed no one did what you said they did, and now denied you ever started this fucking Trainwreck of a conversation…
Like, it’s right fucking there that you said it. Everyone can see it…
And you’re just expecting us to ignore it and believe you now?
No one has time for that shit, if you lie about this you’ll lie about anything
A few months ago, objection(op) was arguing for third party. Now he comes in this thread and makes fun of the people defending Biden. I told him that him voting third party was just as useless as the people defending Biden. Both stances were shit. That’s what I said. Or at least that’s what I meant, maybe it didn’t come across as such. My comment was aimed at op.
Also, nice, you’re accusing me of lying by twisting my words and completely ignoring my question regarding your correlation/causation fallacy. And apparently I’m Trump in this conversation.
You’re exactly right. There’s absolutely no way to influence the Democratic party’s decisions through criticism or making it clear that they’re on track to lose. Joe Biden is who we’re stuck with and if you say you won’t vote for him, you’re completely useless. He’s the only one who can beat Trump.
Strangely, he wasn’t listed on my ballot so I just had to write him in.