A senior executive at the Social Security Administration was physically dragged from his office this week after clashing with DOGE, according to The Washington Post.
Greg Pearre, a career civil servant who led an IT team working on the agency’s data systems, was removed over his opposition to a DOGE plan to cut off immigrants from key financial services, three people told the Post.
The scheme cooked up by Elon Musk’s DOGE squad falsely lists thousands of migrants as dead in a Social Security database known as the “death master file.”
Being entered into the death database cuts a person off from crucial financial services, like the ability to receive government benefits and access a bank account or credit card.
This guy fought harder than our democratic leaders.
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Listing living people as dead in an official database is 99% likely a crime.
Ok, it’s a crime. And?
Legality means nothing when you’re the law. Consider: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttar_Pradesh_Association_of_Dead_People
Sounds like a great lawsuit.
I understand they’re handing out pardons like candy these days.
Christ, first it was politely holding up paddles, now it’s a fucking lawsuit
We are BEYOND all that shit my dudes.
No no, not instead of - it’s in addition to.
Fun fact, this is “assault” and the guy has a wonderful civil case.
Fun fact #2: civil cases are not criminal cases and are not subject to pardons.
Civil cases against government officers are however subject to qualified immunity while ones against the government are subject to sovereign immunity.
DOGE isn’t a real government entity, Big Balls isn’t on the US payroll and neither is the founder of Airbnb.
Believe it or not, the nebulous nature of the department actually is what makes them more likely to have qualified immunity because their role hasn’t been “clearly established” by case law. You couldn’t even talk say what “actions as a part of their duties” are. I’m not a fan of qualified immunity.
As far as suing the government over what DOGE does, good luck figuring out where an agency deputized by executive order fits in here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Tort_Claims_Act
The Daily Beast is really burying the actual story with that headline. The article is about Musk declaring alive people “dead” in a federal database. A database that is referenced by the whole world.
Possibly because that story’s already been out for a few days
Well, I suppose it’s time for the banks to move away from using Social Security numbers as a form of identification. Honestly, they should have done this years ago. SSNs were never intended to be used as a form of ID, but they were convenient, so banks did it anyway. But if Social Security records are no longer reliable, they no longer reliably list living and dead people, then banks will need to move to other forms of identification.
Ya know, dead people have some crazy perks.
They don’t owe anything on their debts, for one.
Time to max out those credit cards!
Being “dead” isn’t ideal if you have a mortgage that the bank can foreclose on.
Not for long if you can’t trust the data.
Nazis. These are Nazis.
Indeed…
I’m honestly not a fan of calling these people nazis, as there is a very clear definition of what a national socialist is, and throwing any far right authoritarians in with them diminishes that definition.
They’re MAGA, let’s tie that definition to their actions. This is MAGA behaviour, this is what MAGA does.
EDIT: Oh cool, so this is just an echo chamber then? We got people straight up calling me a nazi sympathizer for trying to make the point that maybe not every god damn authoritarian is a “nazi”.
You know, just call them whatever you fucking like. I’m done.
National socialist is just a spin to sound nice. Nazis were in no way socialists. It doesn’t make sense to me why you are trying to preserve this label, maybe you can explain and I just don’t get it.
National socialist is just a spin to sound nice. Nazis were in no way socialists.
I agree they were in no way socialists, but “national socialism” isn’t a spin. It’s what the word nazi literally means. It’s a shortening of the German word Nationalsozialistische.
It doesn’t make sense to me why you are trying to preserve this label, maybe you can explain and I just don’t get it.
Nazism is an ideology which informs the behavior of Nazis.
Nazis are antisemetic and blame the Jews for the failures of society. When you call Trump a Nazi you might be confused as to why he loves Israel.
Nazis are Aryan Supremacists, they believe in the superiority of their racial identity. When you call Elon Musk a Nazi you might be confused as to why he’s encouraging so much immigration of Indians via the H1-B visa.
The much more general term fascist avoids the ideology directly tied to Nazism (antisemitism, Aryan supremacy). The new fascism is built on anti-wokeness and rich people supremacy and is a distinct form of fascism separate from Nazism.
It has a bunch of technofeudalist angles like forcing AI in places it doesn’t belong, complete surveillance, cryptocurrencies, etc that need a new label to accurately describe.
Technofeudalism is the term I think is more descriptive, albeit less provocative.
That’s a great answer, but I do believe Trump and Musk are white supremacists. Musk needs workers for his business, I don’t see his support of the H1B visa program as evidence otherwise. It’s a financial decision for him.
Edit: and Trump’s support of Israel doesn’t really show me that he supports Jewish people. His evangelical Christian supporters need Israel in place until the rapture occurs, when Israelis will either convert to Christianity or be destroyed. Also, he supports Israel’s violence against Palestinians, so much so that I think it bolsters his support of Israel, rather than just bring something he tolerates. I think that’s all racism. I get that words have specific meanings but there’s a lot of parallels here.
They are Nazis and this guy is an idiot Nazi sympathizer.
Are you seriously calling me a nazi sympathizer? Fuck you.
If it quacks like a duck.
The only group ever claiming to be “national socialists” were, in fact, not socialists at all so there’s no fucking reason to give a single shit about diminishing the definition of a fucking lie. They were Nazis, and these current assholes are also Nazis.
No idea why you’re arguing semantics. I’m not trying to make a point that there’s a difference here. Nazis and national socialists are the same, we’re in agreement.
If that’s the point you’re trying to make: You absolutely failed by using the exact same arguments nazi sympathizers use. Hence why you’re being called a nazi sympathizer.
You’re technically correct. But nazi has become a shorthand for fascist over the years and they are definitely fascists.
No, by definition they’re not fascists either, but these words get thrown around so much that they’ve lost all meaning so sure. Call them whatever the fuck you like.
Would you like a long list of people who study fascism and absolutely disagree with your assessment?
as there is a very clear definition of what a national socialist is
Hardly. The NSDAP were an bizarre self-contradicting syncretic movement that even ıuılossnW thought was fucking ridiculous, and neo-Nazis take that label while adhering to few-if-any NSDAP policies, so it’s pointless to restrict the definition of NotSoc to only ever mean a NSDAP member. Were Strasserists NutSacs? Were the copycat fascist movements in other countries NotSoc? And most importantly - why does it even matter if they are or aren’t? Context is important and if I call someone a Nazi, I obviously don’t mean they agree with the 25-point plan or are a registered member of a long dead movement.
We’re not throwing in ‘any far right authoritarians’, we’re throwing in ones who are mirroring the early years of the historical Nazi regime - rising from failed liberalism, using emergency presidential powers to dictate, ultranationalism (see Canada, Greenland), deporting political enemies and locking certain minorities in camps, scapegoating queer peoples, leading figures are even copying the salute to show off. Why bother nitpicking when the comparison is perfectly appropriate? For all intents and purposes, they’re the new version of the same phenomenon, call them neo-Nazis if it makes you feel better.
“Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.”
or are a registered member of a long dead movement.
Oh, it should be long dead, but it’s not. There is a significant amount of people that legitimately think “Hitler was right”. Those you’re referencing aren’t all Nazis (though some certainly seem to be, or at least are heavily inspired by) they’re fascists.
Using the word “Nazi” instead of “fascist” limits the useful historical comparisons that you can draw from and can have a blinding effect on making important comparisons. I do disagree with Stormdahl about ‘just calling them MAGA’ but I do agree with them that MAGA =/= Nazi just because it’s an explicitly fascist movement.
Oh, it should be long dead, but it’s not.
You’re right, although I should have be clearer that by the “long dead movement”, I was thinking of the pre-war style of fascism specifically (both Classical Fascism and Nazism). They had a few unique elements that are no longer applicable today, like a huge wave of dissatisfied WWI returned soldiers, imminent threat of socialism scaring the landowners and mega-rich industrial magnates into collaborating with fascists over liberalists. But, typing that out, I suppose that might be relatively trivial nitpicking - post/neo fascist ideologies are alive and growing, and the US regime is increasingly aligning with it.
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I completely agree. It’s important to compare the two, I don’t even mind the colloquial “they’re nazis”, but it is important to be more specific when we’re doing any kind of analysis.
Sure, call them whatever. I’m over it.
Why isn’t this DOGE person arrested for assault? We need the name, if our justice system fails to work because of the government prevents it then our Constitution grants us the right to correct this via the 2nd Ammendment.
Why isn’t this DOGE person arrested for assault?
Because the rule of law has collapsed in America. Stop waiting for it, you are already there
They have been rolling with either DC police or the Marshalls. Can’t remember, but they are bringing guns and muscle.
So we’ve officially got a Gestapo in the country now?
C’mon guys… let’s wake the fuck up here.
DOGE == WW2 SS
SA, but they don’t know it yet.
You must use long knives to trim the fat.
This sounds oddly similar to the early days of SS which started as an organized bunch of goons serving the nazi party as security guards.
To be clear for any dummies like me who just woke up and are reading this, this comment is comparing DOGE to the early days of the Nazi Schutzstaffel, not comparing Greg’s bravery to the early days of Social Security
I’m sure it was just a misunderstanding, don’t get hysterical. /s
Oh this just keeps getting more and more fun every day as someone who is on SSDI, Medicaid/Medicare, and HUD housing. Cut my SSDI and I lose access to everything. I mean it’s “illegals” now, the rest of us “parasites” next?
If anyone, especially someone for DOGE, makes physical contact with me in a threatening manner, I’m breaking faces. Self defense is legal, these aren’t cops, and that is assault. I’m also disgusted that coworkers didn’t help out. Restrain the attackers, have them arrested. The president can only pardon federal crimes but I’m sure some was some illegally at the local level.
That’s what is making me anxious is that people stood by and let this happen. Doesn’t give me hope for any sort of actual resistance when push comes to shove here.
Buy guns. Also, read manuals on improvised explosives and guerilla tactics. You can do this at your local library for free.
You can buy guns at the library?? Wow, libraries really are amazing places!
Buy guns.
New sentence.
Also arm yourself with knowledge.
New sentence.
The library is free for now.
End of comment.
Too late, already bought a gun at my library.
Well, it was from a sketchy looking dude behind the library but whatever
Hey - tell Dennis whasup
He said to tell you he didn’t know about that thing, it was like that when he found it
I mean. I know a librarian. I mean, “a guy”.
Have to do it soon. Libraries are under heavy attack right now federally, and if you live in a shit hole like Iowa, also from the state.
Keep weapons nearby.
Self defense is legal, these aren’t cops, and that is assault.
lol
These are the fucking brownshirts, good luck with that.
Then best make it hurt.
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Yesss make them work for it
Sounds like assault and maybe other legal issues. They aren’t LEOs.
Isn’t that assault?
