Clean it all out and start over again.

Get the fuck out. Did you miss the part where you said…

That does not change it from being the framework for succession and their main complaint

…which was in reference to me saying "states rights is a bullshit excuse?

Which I literally screenshotted , highlighted, and made giant red arrows pointing to it.

Do I need to do that all in-text for you? Are you using a braille display or something?

Edit: Fuck it, went back to your original comment that prompted all of this. You sole position in there was that states rights was the founding principle of the Confederacy, and you even recognize there that it was complete bullshit excuse, but also claim that it was the sole cause for secession (and thus the civil war).

Point to where I said or implied slavery was not the primary cause of the civil war. I won’t hold my breath because that isn’t something I’ve said nor would said

Point to where I said or implied slavery was not the primary cause of the civil war. I won’t hold my breath because that isn’t something I’ve said nor would say.

Are you fucking serious?! Took me less than 10 seconds. Unlike you, when I make a claim, I can back it up with direct quotes and sources.

Take your ball and go home.

I would love to see your evidence about that one.

Since you are unfamiliar with Wikipedia, there were 6 sources cited in the quote alone.

I already provided pre war evidence that directly refutes your feelings on the matter.

I didn’t see it, I still don’t see it, so go ahead and quote it back to me your support of Lost Cause Confederacy talking points.

This isn’t lost cause theory, it’s stating a series of facts you simply don’t agree with.

Read the Lost Cause page, or even better, I’ll put the relevant section in here for you since you clearly won’t bother to educate yourself.

Unimportance of slavery

The movement that took The Lost Cause for its name had multiple origins, but its unifying contention was that slavery was not the primary cause of the Civil War[8][18] and would have naturally perished.[1] This narrative denies or minimizes the explanatory statements and constitutions published by the seceding states—for example, the wartime writings and speeches of CSA vice president Alexander Stephens and especially his Cornerstone Speech. Lost Cause historians instead favor the more moderate postwar views of Confederate leaders.[19]

Confederate president Jefferson Davis wrote about the place of the South’s enslaved African Americans in his The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government (1881)

[The negro soldiers’] servile instincts rendered them contented with their lot, and their patient toil blessed the land of their abode with unmeasured riches. Their strong local and personal attachment secured faithful service … Never was there happier dependence of labor and capital on each other. The tempter came, like the serpent of Eden, and decoyed them with the magic word of “freedom” … He put arms in their hands, and trained their humble but emotional natures to deeds of violence and bloodshed, and sent them out to devastate their benefactors.[20][21]

I’m not saying you’re a racist slavery-apologist historical revisionist btw, but I am saying that you keep repeating and defending racist slavery-apologist historical revisionist propaganda materials, despite being provided ample evidence and resources to know that what you are saying is racist slavery-apologist historical revisionist propaganda.

Ah you mean they challenged state sovereignity which is… A state right!

Exactly. The slave states didn’t care about states rights at all. All they cared about was keeping slaves. If the believed in what they were saying about states rights, they wouldn’t have tried to force non-slave states to turn over freed slaves. The entire “confederates wanted states rights” argument is bullshit. They used the states right excuse to uphold the practice of slavery, and completely ignored these rights when they were used against slavery.

The Confederacy was about keeping slaves, and it was not about upholding the sovereignty of states. That was myth invented after the war was lost to whitewash the people who fought for the “right” to own and abuse human beings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

The Lost Cause of the Confederacy, also known as the Lost Cause Myth or simply as the Lost Cause,[1] is an American pseudohistorical[2][3] and historical negationist myth[4][5][6] that argues the cause of the Confederate States during the American Civil War was just, heroic, and not centered on slavery

You can keep arguing after this I guess, but from this point forward, you would be knowingly promoting and defending a racist slaver-apologizing fraudulent piece of revisionist history.

I literally quoted Jefferson Davis Alexander Stephens (VP of the Confederacy) a month into the Confederacy. You should go read a fucking history book. Racism and slavery was the foundation of the Confederacy, as stated by the people that started it. States rights is a bullshit excuse. The confederate states wanted to force non-slave states to return escaped slaves, despite them have the rights (specifically a state right) not to return human beings to slavers. Fuck off with this fake ass daughter of the Confederacy propaganda.

Edit : Fixed cornerstone speech attribution.

Our new government['s]…foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

Saying the civil war was about states rights is like saying the Holocaust was completely legal.

Both positions are factually correct, but it completely misses the inhuman and immoral pretexts that lead to those actions. The American civil war was about slavers trying to prolong their lifestyle of abusing other human beings regardless of what the laws of the country were. They saw that slavery was going away, and they responded by starting a war of secession.

Ah, I see you had a history class in a “lost cause revisionist” state.

If MAGA people were able to understand the subtext of this event, they’d be smart enough not to be MAGA in the first place. You might as well try to explain to a dog why drinking antifreeze is bad.

You know it’s bad when the nazi mouthpiece says there are too many nazis in the nazi party.

No. The resultant object will just reach equilibrium on one of it’s sides.

It’s not good, but at this point, the President is pushing Republicans to redrawn districts to explicitly favor Republicans, which is explicitly illegal. He should be impeached for this, along with any Republicans who go along with it. But… With Republican control of all 3 branches of government, he will never be impeached and removed. At this point, fighting fire with fire is the only option left.

So no, it’s not good, it would just be way worse not to do it

Yeah. We wanted that from the last admin, but they fucked up by being worried about appearing partisan.

Dems : maybe we shouldn’t wreck healthcare anymore than it already is?

Republicans : WE WILL LITERALLY SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND STARVE YOU TO DEATH TO PROTECT A CHILD RAPIST AND SAVE BILLIONAIRES A COUPLE MIL ON TAXES!

You : These guys are basically the same, right?

If you’re hurtling towards disaster, shouldn’t you try the brakes even if you think they aren’t going to work? We can’t move the United States to the left as long as far right authoritarians are being voted into office. Once some stability is established, we can start working towards more progressive policies. If given the chance between voting for the right and voting for the centrist, I’m going to pick the centrist every time. The only alternative is violence, which is a last resort in my mind (and we’re getting awfully fucking close).

I wouldn’t vote for him in the primary, but if he was the option in the general, I’d vote for him. Compromise is inherent to democracy.

The other thing we should learn is that primaries matter. Primaries are where you vote for the person you want, general elections are where you vote against the one you don’t.

You should read and try to understand the whole thread before you reply to it, otherwise you’ll miss important context.

Anyone But Trump, 2028

Oh, you must have just been born, or woken up from an 8 year long coma…

Anyway. Donald Trump has become the president… twice, and each time he was running against someone who was notably, not trump.

If we’ve learned anything from 2024, it’s that this won’t fly… Sign needs to say “Looking for Unicorn to run for President, otherwise we’ll get trump again”