I wonder if this is Musks “you wouldnt have won the election without me” quote.
Trump said months before the election that he’s got it covered and he isn’t worried about it. Why would that be? He told us what he was doing at the time, his people were rigging it.
And even:
Yes, Trump said Musk knows vote-counting computers ‘better than anybody’
He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.
— trump, on stage at a victory rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 19, 2025
The idiot can’t keep his mouth shut and basically blabbed exactly what they were doing, yet nobody really listened.
It will never cease to astound me.
Hijacking the top comment to mention (as posted in more detail below) that this actually has a very logical explanation. In short, Biden also got 0 votes in some precincts, which was a total flip from 2016 where Clinton won by large margins. The difference? The community is 100% Hasidic, and community leaders met with Clinton during her Senate race while Bill was president. During this time, there were community members being indicted for a fraudulent Hasidic school. The community voted for Clinton for Senate, and shortly after Bill commuted the sentences of these community members. I.e., very possibly a quid pro quo. So that community in particular supports Clinton for this very specific reason, when Trump was still a relatively unknown quantity, and then flips to support Trump for his very aggressive support of Israel during his first term. I despise Trump, and would love him locked up, but these are cherry picked numbers that prove nothing.
So wait a minute here guys, you’re telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to ‘find him some votes’ in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???
Get the EFF out of here!!
Leave the Electronic Frontier Foundation out of this.
Nah it’s liberal propaganda. Anyways let’s storm the capital
Ikr? Absolutely mind blowing
You forgot the part where he said he didn’t need your votes because he already won…
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-laura-ingraham-future-voting_n_66a85c2ae4b0e33a3bb7cd36
So I am very much a numbers and data guy. If there are anomalies, I am very happy to acknowledge them. I am also disgusted by Trump and how he is destroying the country, and voted for Kamala in 2024.
With those caveats out of the way, this whole article and lawsuit is cherry picked bullshit. The precincts in question (yes precincts, not counties as the article states), were extremely red in 2020 as well. Some precincts had 0 votes for Biden. Yet these were not questioned back then. Why? Because Biden won the larger election, so who cares? Why are these alleged anomalies not relevant in 2020, but suddenly relevant now? Bare in mind, these were precincts that went strongly for Clinton in 2016, and did a full reversal in 2020.
What was the difference between the two election cycles exactly? The village is 100% Hasidic. Clinton was viewed as pro Israel, and Biden as anti-israel. That is the explanation. This lawsuit will be dismissed, I am certain of it. As much as I would love to see Trump arrested and thrown in jail for something like this, the evidence is not there to support it.
You can check these numbers out yourself by checking the New York times detailed election map for each election year and searching for Ramapo, NY.
EDIT: Actually, upon further research, the shift from Clinton to Trump is much more interesting than I thought. Apparently she met with community leaders in her Senate race, during the same time her husband was president. Some community members at that time were involved in a criminal scandal involving a fraudulent Hasidic school at that time. She was overwhelmingly voted for by this town. Shortly after, her husband commuted these individuals sentences. So clearly the community remembered this. The town is called new square, you can read about the alleged quid pro quo scandal on Wikipedia.
Biden is anti-Israel?
I’ve heard that Biden is a Zionist though so hoe could those both be true?
To hardline zionists, any mention of acknowledgement of the Palestinian people is anti-israel. He is definitely supportive of Israel overall, but Trump was more supportive overall, and won the hasidic vote by an overwhelming majority.
Bare in mind
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Don’t kink shame those who yum on Nude Dark Brandon.
Yeah, I think this article is way too far into the weeds. A lot of the comments in this thread are starting to sound a little too much like the right wing conspiracies we saw coming out of the 2020 election. And I get it, we’re all looking for ways to prevent this from happening again.
I don’t think there was any fraud–bar the usual voter suppression and sleazy tactics the Republicans engage in. Voter turnout went way down for the 2024 election compared to 2020. Had there been wide scale vote tampering, I doubt they would’ve let the total number of votes for Trump go down. Besides, the 2020 post-election bullshit lawsuits showed that our voting system is relatively secure and it’s quite difficult to fabricate votes. The unfortunate reality is that Trump voters really are just that dogmatic and close minded to keep voting for him
Yea, there are just 2-3 small online news outlets covering it.
Looks like fake news.
When one side has a strangle hold on mainstream media they can make you believe something isn’t credible just by not covering it.
There’s a reason the right focused on owning most all news media.
Yes, I see an article on it now. There was a major lag … like they had to get permission, or were trying to cover it up.
This officially makes it worse.
Statistically it is very unlikely this would happen given the votes for other Democrats down ticket. It would be like betting on an old horse to win a race and somehow winning.
Other irregularities are down ballot Dwmocrat votes. That somehow selected trump he presidents. Such a statistically improbable result
This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.
Same in Germany
They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.
Yeah, it’s weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.
Part of the Trump brand is “Fuck you, I’ve got mine” which isn’t condusive to international coalitions.
Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.
My man stands for nothing that won’t fit into his pocket.
We can’t say that. We don’t know what would’ve happened in Canada if Trump lost.
If Trump lost:
- Trudeau might not have resigned
- if he did, Carney might not have became liberal leader
- The election probably wouldn’t have even happened yet, and the campaign likely would’ve been longer when it was.
- Every party would have run very different campaigns since the top issues wouldn’t have been US relations
A lot of things could’ve been different, but most notably:
- PP might not have run a Trump-esk populist attack campaign.
For all we know PP wouldn’t be seen as “the same MAGA threat”
Note to mention that not only are they harder to scale attacks against, manual vote counts are easier to trust, As anyone can understand the process and how it ensured that their vote counted.
No matter how well they are protected it’s hard to explain to the average person how a computer ensures their vote was counted correctly.
Oh I can think of one way to fix it… might be the only way left to us now
To paraphrase Bush v Gore over negative votes in Florida after the SC sent the case to a lower court and it was appealed back to them
it’s been so long since the election that it would be unfair to change the outcome now
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ahh, how so? is there no one you wish ill of? if so, mine is far more justified. Se la vie, people still reward failure for some reason
removed by mod again, how censored is lemmy? i hold no sympathies for biden and dont think he deserves any well wishes and any pain and suffering he is experiencing is justified in with the pain and suffering he caused. Maybe unpopular opinion, but half the opinions here are offensive to some people, is lemmy just a more sensitive reddit?
Read the sidebar. No celebrating death, advocating violence. The rules are there. Wishing death and pain on anyone, including Biden, is a removable offense.
I did not wish death on anybody, and it does not mention anything about pain. You are twisting the words in the rules to keep your feeling from being infringed. I have not advocated violence either. I have been called a ton of slurs and had hateful speech directed at me, which it seems is permissible as long as it promotes group think that is not uncomfortable.
I am not violating any rule and you need to take some time and read the dictionary and understand what the words you used actually means
It’s really just lemmy world. They’re a highly coddled instance and communities hosted there follow suit.
I dont like coward, liars and people entrusted with the protection of me and mine do nothing with the trust except squander it so his crackhead son can get a pardon and the kids for cash judge too. I calls them as I sees them, and its hard to argue with my stance with the direct result of his failures as pres are contributing to an active genocide and the destruction of the american democracy and human rights, what is wrong with you is the question
You are the problem with America right now. You’re out of your mind about things you clearly don’t understand. We’ve entered idiocracy and you’re just busy being a screeching parrot eh?
Why don’t you go search your soul and try to find it
ahhh, how so? how am i wrong? biden putting a republican at the doj to protect trump, failing his campaign promises, or the baby burning missiles he kept sending to the genocide Israel is commiting at this very moment.
I am the problem with America? maybe but it is not far from the least of them especially since the America failed the minute we allowed a violent convicted rapist insurrectionist go unpunished and get elected with the express purpose of hurting the most vulnerable in society
Basic human deceny is a foreign concept to you, aint it…
no, but it seems that way to biden when he was in charge. How many pictures of burned babies did i see in gaza, while he was there from our missiles? how many americans are suffering now because of his lack of protecting the country
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seeing dead babies, dead children turned to ash and then seeing our politicians say it is ok will do that
Gaza is doomed. And far from my mind right now. We’ve got actual Nazis running the US which we have to deal with because nobody else is going to do it for us.
I feel sorry for you, that is an incredibly cold blooded way of looking at people, literally innicent babies at this very minute dying from hunger and parents weighing whether it is worth it to get shot by Israeli’s for trying to get any sort of food or water. I am not disregarding the US citizens that are sitting in torture prisons in other countries, they are part of the same hydra
How about you get realistic about what can be done. And do it. Stop wasting time and effort in a distractions form the source of the problem. Wihich is MAGA in power- Israel has nothing holding them back from mass murder.
Pity for you and your poor soul
I dont have a soul, but i do feel consolation that if the heaven biden believes in exists, he aint getting in
The heaven Biden believes in:
“Forgive me father for I have sinned, I drone striked an entire region in the middle east to massive amounts of collateral damage and sent billions of dollars in weapons to Israel to be used against Palestinians.”
“Say 3 Hail Marys and one Our Father and you are forgiven.”
idk, the bible i have read seems a bit like a fairy tail and if you look at what that diety actually did and not what his various phophets since moses have tried to revisio -, that god is not a forgiving god. You cant just keep spinning up new churches to suit your ideal version of god and expect credulity.
You cant just keep spinning up new churches to suit your ideal version of god and expect credulity.
You literally set the criteria as “the heaven Biden believes in”. You’re just arguing with yourself.
yeah i know, its a petty hope anyway and its based on make believe to begin with. Just really hate how instead of doing anything with his presidency he just hurt people with his failures, ineptitude and denial about his lack of capacity for the job. He got what he wanted and noped out leaving people that supported him worse off
so we just remove things if they are upsetting? thats even worse than reddit
So on one hand: Harris won NY State by a 10% margin.
On the other hand: if vote machines were tampered with then it likely doesn’t stop there.
Felon practically admitted this last week.
The guy said the Democrats would control the House and even gave numbers for the Republicans in the Senate. What more do people need?
I always had a feeling that the election was a bit too quickly decided. I’ve said before that in the coming months and years after the 2024 election we would find out something fishy was happening.
That’s honestly what got me too. Like it took a week for them to get all of the results from 2020, and sure, that could’ve been all the mail in ballots, but then you have Rogan saying elongated muskrat had called the election the night OF voting?
I don’t know man. I’ve seen a few elections now and don’t remember that happening.
Agreed it’s very fishy I don’t wanna sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist but if it quacks like a duck then it’s a duck.
If you have a few hours to kill, this podcast had the guy from election truth alliance on. It is the most tolerable of the few podcasts he’s appeared on because this guy is data heavy, and quite frankly it can be boring with how much he talks about data and graphs, but the data is there. They are very data driven. Part 2 has most of the data, but essentially votes went way up for Republicans as time went on. Statistically speaking, there should be a similar distribution of votes throughout, but what we see is any time Kamala gets close, a flood of red votes come in. The theory is a vote switching algorithm. Imo Elon saying that without him the Dems get the presidency and the house is not hyperbole. I’m pretty sure they were flipping votes and/ or using data from the super PAC $100 giveaway to file fake votes. There are a bunch of submitted ballots that were down ballot dem, but president and house / Senate (the ones that mattered the most) went to Republicans. The only way to find out is to do audits. And even if (and imo when) we do find out it was stolen, I don’t think we have any recourse to remove him, but it would be nice to know that we didn’t choose this, and the states can beef up their election security and politicians can stop being so spineless thinking that he’s so popular and they are powerless.
The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There’s no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.
His rallies were empty and Harris had the momentum with a packed house everywhere she went. She mopped the floor with him in the debate. The fact that she accepted the results and didn’t push for a single recount was asinine imo. With Trump, everything is projection. There’s evidence they tried to steal '20 and we’re just overwhelmed by the sheer volume of people who voted by mail to oust him. Vote by mail is typically hand counted and harder to alter.
The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There’s no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.
You overestimate this country.
I will definitely watch this I love Titus.
I’m tired of going high when they go low.
If the new standard is for Republicans to cast doubt on the legitimacy of every election, except for the ones they win, then we should, at the very least, be scrutinizing every single aspect of the election. Refuse to concede, demand recounts, hand tally the electronic ballots, search up and down and under every rock for evidence that the other side is guilty of some foul play.
Because if they had done that in the first place, they might have uncovered shit like this before it was too late to stop the wrong candidate from getting inaugurated. If they had bothered to put up a fight instead of maintaining decorum that the Republicans never bother to show, maybe they would have discovered what many of us already suspected - that Elon Musk somehow tampered with the voting machines to swing the election in Donald Trump’s favor in key swing states. They practically admitted as much on stage, and nobody batted an eye at it.
I don’t expect to ever live to see another fair election for the rest of my life.
100%!
Sure but Harris already win NY, so it doesn’t affect anything
It doesn’t change anything in New York… And … In before the flood of other like cases.
our election was, literally, stolen. Trump and his fascists have spent years calling his loss to Biden “stolen” which ultimately harmed any real attempts at calling out future election results. many statisticians are sounding the alarm bells—something is wrong. the data doesn’t lie and the voting heavily implies manipulation. there is a group investigating our election results and making their findings public. they are very concerned with what they are uncovering.
Biden also received 0 votes in 2020 in these same precincts. See my comment for more details on the explanation. I do not know about the other data, but this one is a nothing burger, unfortunately.
After HitlerPig’s 2025 State of the Union speech, new Democratic senator Elissa Slotkin gave the Democratic response, and tried to sell the idea that millions of people in her state voted for her for Senator, but Trump for president.
This past weekend, Amy Klobuchar tried to sell that same fantasy on Meet The Press - that millions in her state voted for her, but also voted for HitlerPig.
I’m sure there are a few people who split their vote, but they have to be as rare as white squirrels. There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I’ve never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president. It sounds ridiculous when you actually say it.
There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I’ve never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president.
If you look at the actual vote counts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_election_in_Michigan
Trump | 2,816,636
Harris | 2,736,533
Slotkin | 2,712,686
Rogers | 2,693,680
Harris and Slotkin net out almost perfectly. Trump outran Rogers by over 3% of the vote, which suggests people were showing up to support Mr Cheeto and then leaving the rest of the ballot blank.
That is… not unbelievable. The Trump Cult is strong, while the GOP as a party lags Trump’s personality cult substantially.
Polling gets even worse in other Midwestern states, with Harris outright underwater to her down ballot Dems. But there’s nobody in the GOP Trump doesn’t outpace. The idea that people are voting Trump + Dem is far less likely than voting Trump + Nobody.
Citing the vote counts to prove the point that the election was “fair & square” is like using the Bible to prove that God is real. Of course they prove HitlerPig won, they’re rigged! We’re supposed to believe he won EVERY swing state? No Republican has won the popular vote since 1988, but we’re supposed to believe the least popular Republican president in decades, one who actually LOST his reelection by a wide margin, is the guy to break that streak? Ridiculous.
What makes more sense to me, and is supported by the evidence and personal statements by the players themselves, is that they rigged the election, especially in the swing states, assisted by the richest man in the world (and his army of some of the best tech experts in the world), and Putin, who we know has been actively pursuing cyber-espionage for years.
When will people internalize that the two biggest FOREIGN Sociopathic Oligarchs, one with a government superpower at his disposal, another with the largest fortune on the planet, neither with any loyalty or patriotism toward America, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history, to exploit our country in every way possible? None of them care about history or legacy or reputation, they see America as a rich, fat, lazy target, ripe for exploitation and looting.
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The case the election is rigged is also based on citing the purportedly fraudulent election results.
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Republicans won the popular vote in 2024.
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The swing state results are not independent variables. They usually swing together.
Is it possible the election was rigged? Sure. But the evidence so far is pretty weak.
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I mean, I’m going to remain skeptical of widespread fraud until proven otherwise. The thing that people keep forgetting is that almost all states have some random spot checks built into their vote-counting process. Just as a matter of regular course, they’ll randomly select a certain number of ballots and compare the hand-counted and machine-counted results.
Also, fuck Trump, but I don’t really see anything odd about the idea that far more people would vote for Trump than a Republican Senate candidate. Trump’s whole shtick is getting low-propensity politically disengaged people to vote for him. And look at how low Congress’s approval ratings are. A fair number of people coming out just to vote for Trump is not unreasonable.
Oops forgot to make the lie a little more believable.
They fully believed nobody would call them on it, partly because of the path they’d laid with the media. And they were right.
Different Oops?
This stuff has been going on for a loooong time:
Interview with Stephen Spoonamore on of the electronic voting issues that have been raised for a while now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRW3Bh8HQic
if you want to jump right to his explanation/comparison to his work with securing credit card transactions against “man in the middle” attacks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BRW3Bh8HQic#t=873
The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio’s vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush’s unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash.
Additionally, the filing contains the contract signed between then-Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and Connell’s company, GovTech Solutions. Also included that contract a graphic architectural map of the Secretary of State’s election night server layout system.
Cliff Arnebeck, lead attorney in the King Lincoln case, exchanged emails with IT security expert Stephen Spoonamore. Arnebeck asked Spoonamore whether or not SmarTech had the capability to “input data” and thus alter the results of Ohio’s 2004 election. Spoonamore responded: “Yes. They would have had data input capacities. The system might have been set up to log which source generated the data but probably did not.”
Spoonamore explained that “they [SmarTech] have full access and could change things when and if they want.”
Arnebeck specifically asked “Could this be done using whatever bypass techniques Connell developed for the web hosting function.” Spoonamore replied “Yes.”
Breakdown of why Electronic voting in general is incredibly insecure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
Documentary going into Clint Curtis’s story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY
(the guy from this video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
Fractional Voting:
http://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-1/
HBO documentary Hacking Democracy:
In the 2000 election cycle, electronic voting machines manufactured by Diebold used Microsoft Access as the underlying database for storing vote counts. Only techie oldheads will remember this, but in the world of electronic data storage Access was basically a toy. Access databases did have an audit table (which tracks every change made to the data), but the audit table was hand-editable.
I will point out that this cannot change the result of the presidential election, since Trump didn’t win the state in question anyway.
It depends on who did the cheating and how prolific it is in other states and counties.
The point is that it all needs to be looked at and reverified
I will point out that if they did it in a state they weren’t going to win and that would be too suspicious for them to actually win in the first place, why wouldn’t they replicate it in a state they actually needed and on which his election actually hinged? Just means New York was a control/test case
In Volusia County, Florida during the 2000 election Al Gore received negative votes, and I’m sure we all remember how that turned out because everyone on this site is old as fuck so let’s temper our excitement this time around.
Let’s just say there was fraud, and Kamala did actually win:
Now what? This administration has been blatantly breaking the law, ignoring the constitution and court orders since day fucking 1 without consequence. Will someone with authority finally grow some fucking nuts and arrest the felon(s) over this, even though they could and should have already for numerous other reasons?
It really leads to the question of does winning an election make you the president or is having the power transferred to you all it takes?
I should ask Gerald Ford.
