My mind always goes toward the Fermi Filter here. Maybe I need to get off the internet for a while

Healthcare is an excellent place for democrats to hold the line, especially now when so much is lost.

Usually I blame republicans for shutdowns but now I blame republicans, and cheer on the democrats.

Ironically, on the enshittification front, it was progressives that I first noticed ….

Yes, back to the face-eating leopard party. A huge logic gap as one of the many reasons we can no longer understand each other.

• Unsatisfied with the guys not doing enough to make your life better? Burn it all down assuming you can walk through the flames unharmed.
• Don’t like being in a bad spot? Destroy all attempts to help you, with the expectation it will hurt those people more and you’ll be ok because you are one of the “good ones”.

It did.

• Spring wasn’t close to any elections so brinksmanship then would have been forgotten.
• Elections are like 6 weeks away. The may not be the biggest but they are elections and people won’t forget the shutdown.
• the big midterm elections are still a year away, but the federal budget is an annual thing. This years brinksmanship will be long forgotten by then but there’s a new “opportunity “ every year

I’m ambivalent about this. It’s really not as important as everything else, but I feel like it’s the only thing that will resonate with half the country

Yes, millions losing healthcare and an autocratic regime are the democrats fault. the shutdown will be the democrats fault. If they don’t cave, mass permanent firings are the democrats fault. Now it democrats decision whether to insist on medical rights for a marginalized population vs insist on medical rights for millions of low income people.

It’s all projection, blame, outrage, and will only end when those forms of manipulation stop working

Believe it or not, just a tactic. The “art of the deal” is only bullying or doubling down. Find something more horrible for your opponents to fight, to distract from the real battles. We need to stand firm on healthcare for millions and the rule of law, regardless whether they threaten permanent firings, regardless whether they threaten worse to marginalized people arts of our population.

I’m not saying this behavior is in any way acceptable, just that it’s trying to move the battle lines.

Holy abusive relationships, Batman! Are they really getting set to hit us and say “look what you made me do”?

Maybe hes nervous about JDs proclivities too

It’s definitely frightening how one “influencer” being killed seems to have made things worse. They not only didn’t learn from the consequences of stoking the flames of divisiveness, but keep piling on the fuel. How does it not hit them that their own actions are what is causing this crisis, and how do they not think it might have gone too far? How are they so cynically exploiting the situation without the slightest hint of awareness that “this could be me next”?

I hear diy law enforcement is now ok. Just modify the bill to let any concerned citizen file suit. Let the gestapo deal with millions of pesky lawsuits

I never paid attention to the guy in life so was surprised that this is becoming a thing, but on reading his wikipedias entry …. I’d say he deserves partial credit for political violence becoming normalized

This hits me especially hard. My little one had a medical crisis as a baby: Harvard sponsored research over a couple decades turned his condition from 70% fatal to 90% survival. My baby is alive and going to college this year because of this research. How dare they play games with this?

It’s not just that: I have a brother who’s not even that conservative but seems to sincerely believe the Gaza protests on college campuses are terrorism and Trump is justified in cutting medical research associated with those colleges

I really hate upvoting such a tragedy but this really needs more attention

The law exists. Technically she should be detained because the police should follow the law.

It’s an illegal law that should be struck down but the normal process is for someone impacted by it to bring it to the courts and get a ruling. There is no protection from Immoral legislators creating anything into law, and it is on the victim to pursue it.

I suppose following the lack of conscience theme it could be all bluster. I imagine they understand it’s an illegal law so they can only keep using it if they don’t let it get to court or if they can steer it to a judge beholden to them

Aside from the illegal detention thing, and depending on numbers, I imagine they could have taken turns - keep attendance below quorum while bringing each legislator back by turn

Thanks. Is there a common way to de-apple such a link or did you have to search for the original article?

Isn’t that something only the federal government can regulate? “To regulate Commerce … among the several States”? Then again, who cares about the constitution anymore I guess

I hate to be seen as defending the guy since he went full Nazi, but ……

Y’all have to remember he get paid in stock Options. When the stock tanks he gets nothing. However since it’s gone crazy over the last several years since they were originally granted, he made an obscene amount of money. He need it to keep rising.

I’d like to see him put his money where his mouth is: let’s see him take the same deal, get paid in options, now that Tesla is tanking. Realistically it was a great car company in a lot of ways and I’d like to see it survive his craziness