Ocasio-Cortez took to Instagram after the Department of Homeland Security suggested they may pursue arrests of three Democratic lawmakers who partook in a protest outside of an ICE facility in Newark, New Jersey. Reps. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-NJ), Rob Menendez (D-NJ) and LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) all attended the protest.
You should already have a problem.
How many red lines have been crossed now? I like AOC but the Democrats and Congress aren’t going to do shit if they haven’t already.
Seven red lines. All of them strictly perpendicular. Some with green ink and some with transparent.
Trust me, I’m an expert!
That video gave me an aneurysm.
5-D chess requires red surfaces and a few lines.
I used to like her, but she’s seemingly going career politician and is voting with lobbyists instead of advocacy groups and all her public statements are just talk. She’s becoming what she got into politics to prevent…
Not left enough for you?
Who is?
I’m not saying you’re lying, or wrong, but could you provide examples?
I’ll say they’re lying and wrong for you.
The “Take it Down” act. She voted with the party line despite warnings.
giving the powerful a dangerous new route to manipulate platforms into removing lawful speech that they simply don’t like. President Trump himself has said that he would use the law to censor his critics. The bill passed the Senate in February, and it now heads to the president’s desk.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws
https://www.techdirt.com/2025/04/28/congress-moving-forward-on-unconstitutional-take-it-down-act/
She started losing me a few years ago, when claiming to be a socialist & pro-union, she voted to make it illegal for railroad workers to strike. Pro-union until their collective action might make life a little inconvenient, then knock their teeth out for the capitalists.
I haven’t really kept track of her since then.
They do. They can’t do anything through Congress, but they’re helping the ACLU get the cases through the courts. If they go after a member of Congress, that member can personally press charges on the administration. That is her point.
And then it gets escalated to the fascist Supreme Court and dismissed.
Law is a dead end.
That’s far from the norm. SCOTUS has upheld far more lower court rulings than overturned.
The ones that don’t matter to the regime are upheld so Democrats keep thinking the Courts will save them and they keep wasting time in legal battles instead of organizing in other ways. The ones that Trump actually cares about are overturned.
No, doomerism is
But they’re totally thinking of planning to maybe someday look into building a guillotine!
I believe in the power of organized strikes combined with mass protests. That’s what works and what forces Courts rule in our favor. That’s hardly being a doomer.
You just don’t want to have to do anything.
Weird things to say to someone that you don’t know anything about. You aren’t spying on me because you wouldn’t say that, so I’m going to chalk it up to unfounded accusation, maybe to try and feel better?
You clearly want to wait around for the Courts to solve everything so you don’t have to do anything. I don’t know you, but I know your type. The only political actions you have ever taken are voting, signing petitions, and maybe donating. All stuff that requires no effort and carries no risk.
I’m amazed how much you depend on ESP for your clarity and your willingness to loudly tell everyone how you make conclusions based on unfounded basis… If you only knew how wrong you were, you would be embarrassed
It’s a figure of speech. She’s aware.
AOC 2028. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
Fun to think about, but American males are not ready for a strong female presence in their lives. They can’t handle it.
I would love for AOC to show the world her fire and Americans some grace. Not going to happen with the lot in America right now sadly.
Male here. Hillary was probably the worst female option who’s ever ran for president.
Kamala wasn’t much better, and felt like a rush job to prevent Biden being an easy sweep.
Not that I’m advocating for trump in either case. I’m just saying its like the old south park joke of douche vs turd sandwich.
Only difference is that AOC is actually a good choice. Whereas Hillary and Kamala were never good choices.
I would fully support an AOC run. I would vote FOR AOC. Whereas with Hillary and Kamala it felt like it was voting against trump by selecting “whoever the opposition is”.
Which for the record, isn’t a gender thing. Biden was also “not trump” on the ballots in 2020. You didn’t vote FOR Biden. You voted AGAINST trump.
Hillary likely would have made a great moderate president. She was a “bad choice” only because Fox News attacked her for 20 years.
Downvotes but she was a cool hippy chick once. Neoliberal was the game she chose to play and it might have worked if she played more on the radical side
People are downvoting you, and as much as I would like it to not be true, you are right. There’s too many male dems I’ve talked to that didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman. It was shocking, and disappointing to say the least.
So I can’t, in good conscience, downvote you, because you’re not wrong, as much as I don’t like it.
Edit: I also should have expected people also downvoting me just because they don’t like the message. I don’t like it either, but downvoting me does not make it less true. I voted for Hillary and Kamala and campaigned for them both, so don’t downvote me just because I’m the messenger of observations about shitty behaviors I’ve encountered among my fellow dems.
Hell, plenty of American women aren’t either.
My brain has a conniption whenever I try to see how women could vote against other accomplished successful women, their own interests, and instead for a misogynistic ugly orange rapist. Like I’m done trying to understand the stupidity. 🙄
The same way poor people keep voting for right wing parties
Stupidity in some cases, but indoctrination in a lot of cases.
Disagree. I think that the failures of Harris and Clinton have a lot more to do with campaign and messaging failures than they do with the fact that they’re women. We’re living a populist moment, and the democrats want to rise to that with “noooo lmao everything’s fine, you’re not actually struggling at the grocery store shut up lol. Nooo we can’t offer a real policy platform to vote for, just vote against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we’ll blame you).”
They’re GOING to fuck this up in 2028 if we even have elections, and they’re not going to let anyone stop them from fucking it up, not even AOC or David Hogg. Right now, Gavin Newsom is leaning hard into giving himself a republican-lite glow-up so that he can run the Newsom/Pence ticket in 2028 and try to peel off a whole six moderate republicans. Their campaign platform will be:
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Bulldoze the homeless (now with BIGGER dozers!)
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shut up, don’t worry about it, just keep voting against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we’ll blame you)
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This take is SO dumb, did you completely ignore that Hilary won the popular vote?
Congrats? Still didn’t win the election, which is all that matters here.
Maybe stop with the strawman argument and you’d get a bit further. Myself, and I’m sure plenty of others, are really sick of being painted as a villain before even entering the conversation. All you’re doing is furthering the divide, not shortening it.
I see it all over Lemmy - angry liberals painting the opposition as vile and inhuman. Making all these strawman up. Makes other liberals not want to associate with you. Makes you seem just like the people you vilify.
You want a society of love and acceptance? Start with yourself. Create a happy accepting vibe around yourself and make it grow from there. But don’t salt the ground and then wonder why nothing grows.
Edit: hey geniuses downvotting me and calling me conservative scum: I’m a registered Democrat. Thanks for proving my point with more strawmen. You assume that if someone disagrees with you they’re immediately a MAGA Nazi instead of someone who legitimately disagrees with your methods and actions. You taint the discourse just as much as your opposition.
Yeah no, ICE deported a four year old with stage four cancer.
If you support the felon rapist who’s spent every single decade of his life an entitled shit destroying as many fucking lives as he could…
Nah, if you voted for Trump that is the same in my book as supporting Hitler. Supporting Trump makes you a fascist, and there is only one cure for fascism.
Another great strawman. I’m a registered Democrat. Thank you for proving my point. Because only a conservative could disagree with you /s
You’re not even providing arguments to straw man bruv, you’re just sealioning here.
And yet when told I disagree with you you immediately go off about maga Nazis. That’s your strawman. You can’t stop foaming at the mouth about it while other Democrats are trying to have an actual conversation with you. Some of you are just as rabid as the people you hate.
You haven’t made an argument to engage with. All you have said so far is “lefties are meanies!” Mild criticism is “foaming at the mouth.”
I think your problem is that you aren’t here in good faith, and that stink comes through the computer monitor.
your comment is exactly what conservatives say " if you argue against a conservative than you are no better than they are" get over yourself.
Nah, I’m a liberal getting sick of my own party and people for being hypocritical themselves.
Do you want to stand for something or win elections and progress? I dont care about race or sex, just like you don’t, but that’s not the reality of America today.
I’ll chose having values and standing for something, yes.
She’s great- but she’s not the revolutionary leader you need to do what’s necessary. She’s the person you need AFTERWARD to pick up the pieces.
Why not?
Why doesn’t she already have a problem? I was hoping AOC would be leading the charge, but she’s more like a background character.
This screams “it doesn’t matter until it’s me.”
AOC reminding Americans how to be brave. Penny auctions were a thing, which implied Americans used to be able to stand up to corrupt oligarchs and monied interests. Where is that solidarity and sentiment now? Do Americans need to be poor again altogether in order to rise up?
The key to the penny auction was intimidating speculators and outside interests from scooping up property being auctioned away.
Good luck intimating a Blackrock agent at a sheriff’s auction in the modern United States. You’re not going to scare off a trillion dollar oligarch and a paramilitary police state with pitchforks
Now they would have the auctions online, and there would be no opportunity to intimidate them.
Sigh, have Luigi taught you nothing?
So you think being first against the wall is a better alternative, good luck with that buddy, keep up the good fight, or don’t,pretty pathetic outing on your part if I do say so
What exactly would you be doing, tough guy?
What I do is none of your concern which you say you’re going to do online and out in public is all of mine, please keep your scope focused
The people of Worcester, Massachusetts prove that the powers-that-be should not be feared.
https://whdh.com/news/hundreds-rally-for-release-of-woman-arrested-by-ice-in-worcester/
The dad, the mom, and the daughter were all still brutally arrested and taken into custody. The actions of the crowd did nothing. I guess it’s a good example to show how we’re powerless to stop any of this, so thanks for that.
if they were serious about fighting back, those agents wouldn’t have won. we can’t wait until they’re at our door. wars are not won be reacting. we have to be the hunters.
Blackrock agent at a sheriff’s auction? That’s cute you think you would even get that opportunity in the days of online auctions. How exactly are you supposed to intimidate someone bidding on the internet thousands miles away?
Ma’am, with the greatest and utmost possible respect, the rest of the world submits that you people already have several problems.
I’m willing to chip in for t-shirts:
You can’t defeat an enemy that you refuse to fight.
I’m sure the Democrats will take every legal avenue available to them. However, if they run out of legal, nonviolent options, they’re going to be in a very rough spot because they don’t have any other arrows in their quiver.
There are going to be so many furrowed brows.
I hope they don’t need to write another Strongly Worded Letter!
I’m honestly more mad at the Dems at this point for just continuing to do nothing while the right runs roughshod over the law and the people.
Tell me, did she also sLaM him? I’m fucking sick of this posturing, do something already
I mean, I doubt he’d refuse her offering to SLAM him, I think there was no such offer.
Seconded, AOC could fucking get it any day of the week
I was about to write they need to make an offense first.
But you are right, they already did that, by preventing legal oversight.
That shouldn’t be allowed to pass.
Oh a big problem!? Like what exactly? What are going to do against a group of people who laugh at the supreme court and dont follow court orders? All they can do is send a strongly worded letter and say “Shame shame”. We are already a dictatorship these other branches have no power other than for optics.
I really like AOC but what will congress or the courts do? They will do nothing and continue to do nothing. Even if Trump and the DOJ go after GOP law makers Congress and the courts will do nothing.
Guillotine?
So many. The people on the left are gutless and ineffective.
You’re way past the point of being able to do anything. Maybe some more protests would have helped. They were super effective.
We still talk about the clown convoy. Yet nobody can make one of the left’s protests even though there is one a week.
And now people can’t help but say the left can’t do anything because… They don’t want to… Because it’s already a dictatorship… Because … Because… Because.
Meanwhile the right are marching in the streets armed and beating the shit out of drag performers at brunch. They’re communicating and organizing on Twitter and Reddit and Facebook. It’s just so asymmetrical the amount of effective effort, actions and behaviors one side is able to muster over the other.
AOC is right and should have support by people showing up and making the government eat their words. This is authoritarianism. But nobody is out there putting the work in. It’s a heading, an article then it disappears into the ether only for us to react to the next news headlines tomorrow. Nobody is making anything stick and that’s on us.
The left is toothless and scared always has been. They live with the thought they can’t do they it’s illegal. And then the right says fuck you and does it and the left gasps and clutches their pearls. The right is vastly more organized and willing to fight for what they want then the left. And it is why they are winning and we’ll continue to win.
This isn’t a tenant of ‘the left’ but rather of liberalism.
Deference to law, police and morals that adhere to the legality of action are liberal brain rot, only the left in so far as the right is fascism.
Being on the left often carries pacifist sentiment but deference to legality and unwillingness to act is a liberal tendency.
“suggested” they “may pursue”… wow. Did they fire six shots or only five? Y’know, in all that excitement, I kinda lost track myself.
This is trump’s final chance before he gets SLAMMED.
If the bar has to be that high given everything they have already done, then perhaps you are living in an oligarchy.
Do something that would warrent the GOP being hostile tward you, maybe.
After watching that video, there already is a problem. Assaulting an elected official is a felony and the ICE officer that did this needs to be up on charges.
except you got enablers like schumer and hakeem bending the knee to the megadonors.
So this thread has
- people upset the party with no power has no power
- people suggesting violence for others
- defeatists who haven’t digged their suicide hole yet
What’s new that I missed?
I just figure people are venting. AOC posts aren’t really the right place, though. I like her videos, and she does give my students hope for what it’s worth.
suggesting violence for others
Social media will always have a selection bias of inaction because once someone crosses that line, they’d be a fool to post online about it.
Don’t forget people denying a member of Congress was caught on video commiting simple assault and obstruction of a federal law enforcement officer.
Nobody is above the law. There are procedures for oversight and bypassing those procedures are no different for a member of Congress than a typical citizen committing the same acts outside of the same position. Bypassing lawful procedure is not okay, regardless of political affiliation, and should not be tolerated.
LaMonica McIver is up for re-election in 2026.
Bypassing lawful procedure is not okay
Like how ICE is just straight up kidnapping citizens?
What citizens have they kidnapped?
The mother who was deported took the child with her by choice. It is horrible that the child is sick but the claim of citizens are being kidnapped is misinformation. If citizens are being deported I have not seen an example of that but if you see an example please let me know.
The mother who was deported took the child with her by choice.
Evidence?
I read about it in a news article. I think it was an interview with the head of ICE on Meet the Press.
