Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.
Unpopular opinion here; but there’s no way an impeachment would succeed and a failed impeachment strengthens Trump’s position with his base.
I’ll go a bit further and say this particular hill is not the best one to choose, as presidents have long unilaterally launched military operations and it’s been broadly declared legal, even if it makes no sense. Changing the law would be good, but as the law stands, it’s a hard argument to make that Trump should be impeached because of his unilateral decision to strike Iran but every other president in recent history shouldn’t have been impeached over their unilateral strikes.
Need to select some way in which he has behaved illegally, in a way that looks corrupt, and in a way that is different than other presidents that have been given free passes. He seems to give such circumstances pretty routinely, so I don’t know why you’d go for this one.
Everything Trump does strengthen his position with his base.
He could probably eat dog poo on live television and his base would cheer him for a dumb reason.
that is exactly why the Dems had nothing to lose. you are not winning over MAGA folks. who cares? they are not the group a symbolic appeal of impeachment would work for. the Dems should’ve taken the risk to demonstrate solidarity but they can’t be fucked to do anything even remotely suggestive they are working for their constituents.
God your country is fucked.
AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.DAE 6d golfchess???
She’s certainly testing them and shining the light on them for who they are - rotten to the core.
I’m not saying chill out about the attack, I’m saying chill out about the impeachment vote. It was a failure from the start. Democrats aren’t fascist for voting against it. The only real effect of voting against it is that it saved us two months of republican’s soundbites about how “trump derangement syndrome is so bad it’s making them want to take away the ability to defend America” and shit like that.
And now they are using that free time to legislate the “big beautiful bill” and further Project 2025.
Republicans pushed forward a bullshit impeachment for Biden because he wasn’t brutal enough to immigrants. Impeaching trump for actual impeachable conduct should be the norm, even if it fails every time. We need these people on record saying they support all this unitary executive shit, because we can throw it in their faces when they bitch about the next Dem president expanding healthcare, and it eats up time that Congress would spend furthering the far-right agenda.
There are probably a dozen things they could (and should) impeach Trump for. This isn’t actually one of them. Presidents are authorized to do air strikes.
The left is usually not as ignorant of the facts as the right, but this is one of those cases where the left is ignoring the facts. The President has authorization from Congress to do limited military action. Should all of the Presidents before been impeached for doing similar one-off air strikes? Seems you want to impeach Trump based on dumb memes about this being the start of WWIII rather it being an air strike.
Did Obama get impeached for sending a SEAL Team into Pakistan without getting authorization from congress?
Also Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons program. The civilian reactor is supplied Uranium from Russia that’s already enriched to around 5% which is what you use for civilian energy generation. Iran had Uranium enriched to 60% which isn’t useful for civilian reactors and none of the Uranium enriched in Iran is used in their one civilian nuclear reactor. The UN has reported that Iran is keeping secrets from them and there’s been an increase in their Uranium enrichment, which again is entirely a weapons program, the uranium for civilian use comes from Russia.
So congratulations, instead of impeaching Trump for doing all of the corruption, or for deploying Marines on US soil without authorization, or for falsely declaring everything an emergency so he can do stupid tariff stuff, you’ve created a narrative that the left tried to impeach him for protecting Americans from the “Death to America” country’s nuclear weapons. I guess the left is fine with the corruption and deploying the military within the US, but only take action to come to the defense of the Ayatollah’s nuclear weapons program.
The left only seems to want to attack Trump when they have non-existent chance of winning or even convincing anyone of their position. On issues where the left has a strong case, they do nothing.
Hello AI friend! Nice grammar and spelling.
The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.
What the actual fuck is wrong with these idiots?
Here’s the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.
Pete Aguilar (California) Gabe Amo (Rhode Island) Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts) Wesley Bell (Missouri) Ami Bera (California) Don Beyer (Virginia) Sanford Bishop (Georgia) Julia Brownley (California) Nikki Budzinski (Illinois) Janelle Bynum (Oregon) Salud Carbajal (California) Andre Carson (Indiana) Ed Case (Hawaii) Sean Casten (Illinois) Kathy Castor (Florida) Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida) Katherine Clark (Massachusetts) Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri) Jim Clyburn (South Carolina) Herb Conaway (New Jersey) Lou Correa (California) Jim Costa (California) Joe Courtney (Connecticut) Angie Craig (Minnesota) Jason Crow (Colorado) Henry Cuellar (Texas) Sharice Davids (Kansas) Don Davis (North Carolina) Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania) Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut) Suzan DelBene (Washington) Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania) Debbie Dingell (Michigan) Sarah Elfreth (Maryland) Cleo Fields (Louisiana) Shomari Figures (Alabama) Lizzie Fletcher (Texas) Bill Foster (Illinois) Lois Frankel (Florida) Laura Gillen (New York) Jared Golden (Maine) Dan Goldman (New York) Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire) Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey) Adam Gray (California) Josh Harder (California) Jim Himes (Connecticut) Steven Horsford (Nevada) Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania) Steny Hoyer (Maryland) Val Hoyle (Oregon) Hakeem Jeffries (New York) Julie Johnson (Texas) Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) Bill Keating (Massachusetts) Timothy Kennedy (New York) Ro Khanna (California) Greg Landsman (Ohio) Rick Larsen (Washington) John Larson (Connecticut) George Latimer (New York) Susie Lee (Nevada) Mike Levin (California) Sam Liccardo (California) Ted Lieu (California) Zoe Lofgren (California) Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts) Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island) John Mannion (New York) Lucy McBath (Georgia) Sarah McBride (Delaware) April McClain Delaney (Maryland) Jennifer McClellan (Virginia) Betty McCollum (Minnesota) Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan) Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky) Gregory Meeks (New York) Grace Meng (New York) Kweisi Mfume (Maryland) Joe Morelle (New York) Kelly Morrison (Minnesota) Jared Moskowitz (Florida) Seth Moulton (Massachusetts) Frank Mrvan (Indiana) Richard Neal (Massachusetts) Joe Neguse (Colorado) Johnny Olszewski (Maryland) Frank Pallone (New Jersey) Jimmy Panetta (California) Chris Pappas (New Hampshire) Nancy Pelosi (California) Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington) Scott Peters (California) Brittany Pettersen (Colorado) Nellie Pou (New Jersey) Mike Quigley (Illinois) Jamie Raskin (Maryland) Josh Riley (New York) Deborah Ross (North Carolina) Pat Ryan (New York) Andrea Salinas (Oregon) Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania) Brad Schneider (Illinois) Hillary Scholten (Michigan) Kim Schrier (Washington) Bobby Scott (Virginia) Terri Sewell (Alabama) Adam Smith (Washington) Eric Sorensen (Illinois) Darren Soto (Florida) Greg Stanton (Arizona) Haley Stevens (Michigan) Marilyn Strickland (Washington) Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia) Tom Suozzi (New York) Emilia Sykes (Ohio) Paul Tonko (New York) Ritchie Torres (New York) Lori Trahan (Massachusetts) Derek Tran (California) Lauren Underwood (Illinois) Juan Vargas (California) Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico) Marc Veasey (Texas) Eugene Vindman (Virginia) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida) George Whitesides (California)My representative, who is generally a pretty progressive guy, is on this list. A local journalist asked about his vote, and the statement from his office was that the congressman is waiting for a classified briefing on the Iran strikes to help determine whether the president broke the law.
I know that we live in a world where we expect not only a 24-hour news cycle, but 24-hour resolutions to all issues. Having a solid argument and proper evidence for impeachment is the sort of thing that moves more slowly than we would like.
Ten bucks says he never sees that classified briefing.
Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.
Ah, Jim Clyburn, the jackass who helped Biden win the primary and put us on the path to the second Trump term.
Really appreciate it. I’ve been telling myself I need to start adding to the emails of my reps, and used this list as the reason to start.
The day Americans realized no one was coming to save them 🫂
Nobody who said “blue no matter who” in 2024 is allowed to say “what the actual fuck” at this.
The alternative being…? What, third party candidates? Are you kidding? The only alternative to “blue no matter who” is more “red” and as you can see, there is literally zero support from “red” whereas there’s at least a substantial fraction from “blue.”
I don’t think many people who said “blue no matter who” are actually very surprised by this, because the phrase is not coming from die hard supporters, it’s coming from anyone with basic logic skills.
Disagree, that’s basically saying if you vote in your best interest you can’t complain.
What the actual fuck
Especially if they tried to blame objectors
Jesus McFucking Christ.
128 democrats are actually Republicans,
America is slowly learning both sides have the same goals.
But muh “bOtH sIdEs!”
128 Democrats join House Republicans to defend fascist dictator
Welp There it is, on record, Both sides are the same.
Reaching obvious conclusions based on observations in reality is tankie shit, please refrain from doing so.
I’m sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya’ll need to chill out. President’s generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can’t think of one in my lifetime that didn’t bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.
This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it’s Congress’ job to declare war. That’s the entirety of the complaint. It’s short. And it’s lazy. He didn’t declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn’t declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn’t actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.
All this ‘democrats are traitors’ or ‘they’re supporting fascism’ or ‘stabbing us in the back’ is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don’t see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it’s deep and nuanced, it’s something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it’s something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.
We’re not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I’m getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.
I don’t get it. What’s there to chill out about? Is it fine to bomb another country just because war wasn’t officially declared?
Funny how when America got bombed it was perceived as a clear declaration of war… Those double standards my guy
If you’re talking about American public opinion having double standards, ok. If you’re talking about me, you’re putting words in my mouth.
Correct me if I’m reading your post wrong, but you stated that people should chill out about this declaration of war because he didn’t actually declare a war, he just casually dropped some bombs. I understand that to mean that people should accept the irrationality because somehow the US doesn’t have a system in place to police itself. Curious how that would play out if other countries did the same. Oh no we didn’t declare war, it was this fat idiot Hirohito going rogue again, oopsie. Time for peace now, thank you for your attention to this matter.
