Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.
Every politician over 50 besides Bernie needs to be ‘retired’
Can’t state this enough. Reboot our entire government
Suddenly 99 JD Vances in the Senate.
He should have no privilege for that.
Looks like there are 212 Democrat reps in the house, which puts it at a large majority which would rather “not cause a fuss” or whatever the fuck excuse they’re trying to bullshit this time.
Useless people. Worthless people.
What exactly do you think the outcome would be if the house successfully initiated an impeachment?
128 Democrats join House Republicans to defend fascist dictator
But they impeached him before, so their stance is that he got better and is no longer a threat to democracy?
They just don’t feel the need to hide anymore. Most of your “Democrats” are just Republicans with a different paint job.
Their stance is Trump came out of his two impeachments politically stronger than he went into them, and unless
1420 GOP Senators decide to switch their allegiance all of a sudden the act of impeachment is practically useless.Edit: I fucked up the math, thanks commenter
Plus since the proceedings were guaranteed to fail (even setting aside the party votes, while Trump has committed many constitutional violations, this one is shared by several of his predecessors and was an especially stupid thing to hinge an impeachment vote on - doubly so because it’s not technically a violation until 60 days have passed), all they’d accomplish is burning a substantial amount of political will (something the Democratic party is severely lacking in) to… accomplish nothing but making Donald even worse? He already attacks Democratic states that have shown relatively minor opposition; if their representatives supported impeachment then life could suddenly become a lot harder for their constituents. Unless you’re an accelerationist it was a bad idea all around.
(I should note I don’t support this rationale - cowardly appeasement has never worked - but I can understand it, at least in theory. I’m mostly pissed that they pulled this stunt on such a flimsy pretext when there were plenty of rock-solid justifications to base an impeachment on)
- It takes 67 Senators to remove.
“He learned his lesson” I guess
It’s not about how much of a threat he is, but it’s about the friends we made along the way.
128 democrats are actually Republicans,
America is slowly learning both sides have the same goals.
But muh “bOtH sIdEs!”
Primary. Every. Single. One.
a P.E.S.O. for president Taco’s followers, good pitch
One taco? That’ll be 128 PESOs.
Edit: that’s about 6€ or $7.50 USD. These must be LA tacos.
la tacos
Never had French tacos before, are we talking poutine french or France french?
Los Angeles tacos, but I’d be game for a poutine taco if I ever dare to set foot in North America again.
I have full faith that if the DNC had the votes to remove trump, which is 67 senators and a house majority, then they would go through with this impeachment trial.
They have 47 Senators with caucus. This was never going to accomplish anything, and I’m glad we’re saving this for later.
Why save it for later? Because it would impede Congress from accomplishing its business? But it’s a Republican controlled Congress that’s hell-bent on passing more aspects of Project 2025. So obstruction is really the only play available for the Dems.
If the shoe were on the other foot, McConnell or Gingrich would have held that brake pedal to the floor. Even though we all know there will be no personal consequences, it’s a method of Delay, Deny, Defend against the handover to fascism.
Laws pass through congress almost every day, on the 23rd this month the senate passed 13 bills including one that removed the requirement for Alaskan Native Villages to convey land in trust to the state while conducting business. We need a congress even if we don’t like the budget bill, the really bad stuff gets filibustered anyways.
Aid must go through congress, arming our allies like Ukraine must go through congress, limiting state’s powers must go through congress. Even fucking USPS distribution centers and offices go through congress.
Even if you hold the impeachment trial with no consequences, it comes off to the general public, who a plurality voted for Trump or majority voted for Trump or stayed home, as being unfair and heavily biased so it won’t gain any votes in the midterms either.
I am not. There should be an impeachment for every high crime, of which there have been a lot already. The Senate will convict eventually.
Maybe need to wait for blue midterms before getting the ball rolling.
Okay but if you don’t remove 20 Republicans then it still accomplishes nothing. 67 Senators needed to remove Trump from office.
… are you seriously implying that any gains the party makes are pointless if they don’t hit the 2/3rds threshold?
I’d sit this one out if I were you, take the time to brush up on politics and critical thinking.
On the topic of Impeachment, yes, it means fuck all to primary these congressmen over not holding a silly ritual with no real consequences.
Ditto for anything that requires a constitutional amendment or defeating filibuster like undoing citizens united or passing medical for all. We need to Remove the GOP, not just get better DNC.
“A silly ritual with no real consequences”
… aside from
- doing their sworn duty
- showing the people they still care and are trying
- paper trail of accusations, arguments, etc
- VOTES - you get to see how everyone voted, which helps generally with ads during election time, and specifically when it comes time to hold sedition trials on all these Nazi collaborators.
Again, you’re another person who needs some lessons on politics and procedure before commenting.
Note: my bad, you’re still the same under educated, unqualified commenter as before.
- doing their sworn duty to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
- showing the people they still care and are trying to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
- paper trail of accusations, arguments, etc which exist whether or not they get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
- VOTES - you get to see how everyone voted on whether or not to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator, which helps generally with ads during election time, and specifically when it comes time to hold sedition trials on all these Nazi collaborators after the GOP are reduced to an extreme minority of congress.
You’ve had your chance to get better, bye troll.
Good luck convincing anybody of anything, you’re going to need it.
“Why do people downvote my posts before reading each one?”
Idk what you mean, I read before I downvoted you.
Ah so you’ve just been trolling this whole time and don’t actually have the worst take on literally every subject.
Do any of your replies ever have anything to do with the comment above them?
Heres some takes you can feel free to publicly disagree with:
Dictatorships are an offense to humanity and the largest threat to our future.
All people deserve opportunity for happiness and prosperity regardless of socioeconomic or ethnic background.
We should tax the rich such that billionaires don’t exist.
Reform should be the only goal of incarceration, which means providing the needs of inmates to accomplish that. Private Prisons should not exist.
When you say “racism is bad” or stuff like this to show how moderate you are, nobody disagrees with you. But then your dig in your heels about absolutely absurd bullshit.
You’re expecting people to give each comment the benefit of the doubt. Lemmy is small and you’ve made a reputation for yourself.
I’m sorry that you don’t agree that being against racism is a progressive stance.
Sorry but not surprised. Pretty standard for you Tankies.
God your country is fucked.
There is a new website tracking whether politicians will go on the record to be against bribery.
I wonder if they will note this?
Here’s the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.
Pete Aguilar (California) Gabe Amo (Rhode Island) Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts) Wesley Bell (Missouri) Ami Bera (California) Don Beyer (Virginia) Sanford Bishop (Georgia) Julia Brownley (California) Nikki Budzinski (Illinois) Janelle Bynum (Oregon) Salud Carbajal (California) Andre Carson (Indiana) Ed Case (Hawaii) Sean Casten (Illinois) Kathy Castor (Florida) Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida) Katherine Clark (Massachusetts) Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri) Jim Clyburn (South Carolina) Herb Conaway (New Jersey) Lou Correa (California) Jim Costa (California) Joe Courtney (Connecticut) Angie Craig (Minnesota) Jason Crow (Colorado) Henry Cuellar (Texas) Sharice Davids (Kansas) Don Davis (North Carolina) Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania) Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut) Suzan DelBene (Washington) Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania) Debbie Dingell (Michigan) Sarah Elfreth (Maryland) Cleo Fields (Louisiana) Shomari Figures (Alabama) Lizzie Fletcher (Texas) Bill Foster (Illinois) Lois Frankel (Florida) Laura Gillen (New York) Jared Golden (Maine) Dan Goldman (New York) Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire) Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey) Adam Gray (California) Josh Harder (California) Jim Himes (Connecticut) Steven Horsford (Nevada) Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania) Steny Hoyer (Maryland) Val Hoyle (Oregon) Hakeem Jeffries (New York) Julie Johnson (Texas) Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) Bill Keating (Massachusetts) Timothy Kennedy (New York) Ro Khanna (California) Greg Landsman (Ohio) Rick Larsen (Washington) John Larson (Connecticut) George Latimer (New York) Susie Lee (Nevada) Mike Levin (California) Sam Liccardo (California) Ted Lieu (California) Zoe Lofgren (California) Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts) Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island) John Mannion (New York) Lucy McBath (Georgia) Sarah McBride (Delaware) April McClain Delaney (Maryland) Jennifer McClellan (Virginia) Betty McCollum (Minnesota) Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan) Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky) Gregory Meeks (New York) Grace Meng (New York) Kweisi Mfume (Maryland) Joe Morelle (New York) Kelly Morrison (Minnesota) Jared Moskowitz (Florida) Seth Moulton (Massachusetts) Frank Mrvan (Indiana) Richard Neal (Massachusetts) Joe Neguse (Colorado) Johnny Olszewski (Maryland) Frank Pallone (New Jersey) Jimmy Panetta (California) Chris Pappas (New Hampshire) Nancy Pelosi (California) Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington) Scott Peters (California) Brittany Pettersen (Colorado) Nellie Pou (New Jersey) Mike Quigley (Illinois) Jamie Raskin (Maryland) Josh Riley (New York) Deborah Ross (North Carolina) Pat Ryan (New York) Andrea Salinas (Oregon) Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania) Brad Schneider (Illinois) Hillary Scholten (Michigan) Kim Schrier (Washington) Bobby Scott (Virginia) Terri Sewell (Alabama) Adam Smith (Washington) Eric Sorensen (Illinois) Darren Soto (Florida) Greg Stanton (Arizona) Haley Stevens (Michigan) Marilyn Strickland (Washington) Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia) Tom Suozzi (New York) Emilia Sykes (Ohio) Paul Tonko (New York) Ritchie Torres (New York) Lori Trahan (Massachusetts) Derek Tran (California) Lauren Underwood (Illinois) Juan Vargas (California) Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico) Marc Veasey (Texas) Eugene Vindman (Virginia) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida) George Whitesides (California)Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.
My representative, who is generally a pretty progressive guy, is on this list. A local journalist asked about his vote, and the statement from his office was that the congressman is waiting for a classified briefing on the Iran strikes to help determine whether the president broke the law.
I know that we live in a world where we expect not only a 24-hour news cycle, but 24-hour resolutions to all issues. Having a solid argument and proper evidence for impeachment is the sort of thing that moves more slowly than we would like.
Ten bucks says he never sees that classified briefing.
Ah, Jim Clyburn, the jackass who helped Biden win the primary and put us on the path to the second Trump term.
I hate that motherfucker with a seething red hot vengeful rage and I dont understand why that motherfucker keeps winding up in interviews.
Really appreciate it. I’ve been telling myself I need to start adding to the emails of my reps, and used this list as the reason to start.
Send messages to your member of Congress on this list. They need to hear that you’re unhappy. They were hoping this vote would go unnoticed and you need to force them to be accountable.
The US is so fucking backwards that they even use “table” as the opposite of it’s meaning.
What. The. Fuck?
Welp There it is, on record, Both sides are the same.
Reaching obvious conclusions based on observations in reality is tankie shit, please refrain from doing so.
Is there a list of names? Because if any of my reps show up on this list, I will never vote for them again.
I don’t want these fucking dinosaurs running the goddamn party anymore. I want some progressives with teeth who have the backbone to fight the fascists head on. I don’t care how petty or how low they have to get, I want to see them at least try.
Thanks. My guy ain’t on there, luckily. But geez, there’s a shocking number of CA representatives who voted Aye.
I hate this political party so much. Not as much as the Republican party, but enough to make me want to quit following politics because it seems like nothing will ever meaningfully change.
But vote blue no matter who!!!
Put him in a bigger peach this time, so he can’t get out
Bigpeachment
Donnie and the giant peachment
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Oh yeah, and all of these 128 Democrats will be very disappointed about something evil that the chertondoes later and “wish they would have voted differently”
Fuck all of them
Jesus McFucking Christ.
