This should be the sticking point to invoke the 25th. Officials need to be loud and make a stink about how Trump can’t tell fact from clear fiction and therefore cannot perform the duties of the office. Make the people of America see the image on the news everyday and make those on his side say out loud if they think it’s fake or real. Half of the masses will never be convinced that he lacks the morality to lead until they’re already in his camps. This is the earliest clear as day moment to act on that which cannot be held to subjective scrutiny or partisanship.
The photo:
Clearly made with MS Paint 13.0. isn’t this just the watermark from MsPaint?
What is weird is that his wife did censor a photo of his hands in on of their photos recently. I feel like this is an easy thing to prove. Who knows. But we should be a bit more skeptical. Not just of Trump but our own sources.
Why the down votes. If I’m wrong on this, let me know. But let’s not bury our heads on things.
Even if MS13 he should have due process. That process is where all these questions get answered. Without it we have this shit show. But let’s not let our political vibe cause us to not question things or be skeptical. Nobody should dig in on an issue and deny based on vibes
I don’t have many social media accounts but is this legit?
That’s practically dead centre in the photo, you know, the place where people will tend to put text and emojis in the photos they take?
even if it’s on purpose, so one of them decided hey let’s not have the marijuana tattoo right in the middle of our cutesy picture. or a skull for that matter. who gives a shit.
That could be it but I don’t know if that explains it well enough. She doesn’t owe any one that doubts her anything. But also she could shut it down with the original photo. Any of it really. If they’re saying these are cover ups, why not show a timeline that proves these weren’t covering anything up.
What pisses me off is how often I listen to sources on the left that will frame everything weirdly. Then I’ll bring it up and I’ll have someone on the right pull out details they were purposely left out on a story originally. Then I look like it up and sure enough the person on the right are correct and the left focused corners aren’t talking about half the shit.
I’d just like to see less bullshit from everybody. But it’s driving me that even though bullshit is higher on the right. We’re not far behind and it’s getting worse.
Birthers claimed for years that seeing Obama’s long form birth certificate would alleviate their citizenship concerns. Spoiler: it didn’t, they moved the goal posts.
Once people are identity-level invested in something being true - in this case that deportations are about public safety and not racism, because no way could they or people they respect be racist - sinking time into producing evidence for them is futile. It is no longer about facts, it’s about identity. Sometimes people break out of these self-imposed mental prisons if a main trusted person who helped lead them there loses their trust for an unrelated reason (not one that had become identity-latched). Sometimes being welcomed into a different community that fulfills those identity needs will let them see their previously identity-latched falsehoods as false. But evidence is always futile.
How do you know that we’re not invested in that though?
That’s what I’m asking. I’m not asking to prove them wrong. Why are we not asking “is this true”
Maybe I’ll wrong, have you seen any one verifying anything?
Years ago I feel like we did question things and verify things. But lately I feel we are as invested as the trumpets are
Being invested at an identity level is a human trait, not a Republican or MAGA one. It’s not “lately”, it’s all of human history.
We all readily recognize the blind spots in people we consider part of an out-group. Becoming more aware of the blind spots of people we consider fellow in-group members, and especially in ourselves, is more difficult, but I believe important to strive for. Having blind spots is natural. Recognizing them and trying to compensate for them in our thinking can benefit decision-making.
In the case of “are the tattoos on this guy’s fingers MS13-related”, there is way more substantive discussion to be had than demanding the guy’s girlfriend dig up and share publicly a years-old couple’s picture without the emoji. Some quotes below if they are of interest, and the article has a picture with the full fingers and their tattoos fully visible in case that really was what you were going for. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/abrego-garcias-tattoos-explainer
“I see a bunch of symbols that could be interpreted any number of ways,” Jorja Leap, a University of California, Los Angeles professor who has served as an expert gang witness in court, told CNN.
…“These are definitely NOT MS-13 tattoos,” Thomas Ward, a University of Southern California professor who spent years embedded with MS-13 researching the gang, and is the author of an ethnography that studies MS-13, said in an email.
…While some gangs will opt for more low-profile or ambiguous means of identifying members to evade detection from law enforcement or rival gang members, MS-13 tattoos, according to Leap, aren’t exactly subtle. They are used to market the gang’s brutality.
“MS-13 members have tattoos that say ‘MS-13,’” Leap said. “They’re not head-scratchers; they’re billboards. There’s no ambiguity.”
I appreciate that. And I’m not saying she should do anything. But I am saying we should be asking hard questions ourselves. Regardless if he is ms13 he deserves due process. Saying that, we should know if any parties are lying or hiding things. It does not look good when someone is playing games and we collectively reinforce those games.
We’re not asking if it’s true because it doesn’t fucking matter. That’s up to a court and a jury, which Abrego Garcia never went in front of.
Also, please tell me you’re not asking if the ms paint arial black 12 pt font letters are really on his hands. If you are, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.
No, but people do realize the ms paint wasn’t a lazy attempt to manufacture ms13 on his hands. They were referencing what the finger tats stood for. This was kind of why I got a bit frustrated with the truth here. It seems a lot of people realize trump did think the letters were actually there. But there were also people who don’t realize the letters were a reference, they weren’t a lazy photo shop attempt.
I think what does matter is how we approach these things. We shouldn’t refuse to ask questions or be skeptical. We should be comfortable to ask if there is information being hidden. It’s dishonest to refuse to investigate and ask questions out of a fear of what the truth is. It makes us so look bad when we collectively ignore key information. It’s is important if he is a gang member. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t get due process. But it’s information that if one person refuses to accept, they will look dishonest as if they’re playing a game
Don’t be this person. Use brain cells instead.
These ones are real, though:
Can someone explain these to me? They seem like Neo Nazi tattoos.
That’s US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and they are.
I’m not trying to defend the guy at all but those tattoos are not exclusively used by neo-nazis whatsoever and come from the Christian crusades originally. It’s the Jerusalem cross.
I will also say that that drusen cross has been used in some Neo-Nazi symbolism along the way so it’s not really a get out of jail free card either.
And a swastika represents “good fortune” and “well-being” in Hindu and other Indian cultures, concepts I would support, but I still wouldn’t get it tattooed on my body because of it’s other meanings.
If this guy is ignorant of the more recent meanings, that is just as troubling as if he knew their modern interpretations. If someone had elaborate Nazi imagery all over their body, and they were truly ignorant of the meanings, I would not think that they possessed the intelligence and judgement to supervise any people or projects.
Whether he knew about it or not, it’s a problem, and this guy is in charge of the Pentagon.
They’re not necessarily all “Neo-Nazi,” but they’re definitely Neo-Nazi adjacent.
There is nothing wrong with categorizing symbols that are used for white supremacy and ethnic cleansing crusades as being “Nazi”.
You don’t need to be a German soldier in the 1930s to be a Nazi. These types of “technically” corrections are not helpful and just play into doubt for people that don’t understand history. Like yourself apparently.
Modern day Nazis aren’t tattooing swastikas. They’re running our businesses and our country.
I love how all you folks just ignore what I said and have to make some sort of point about it. All I’m talking about it where those symbols come from and they aren’t widely used as modern NEO NAZI (not Nazi) symbolism. I hope nothing but the worst for Nazi’s, NeoNazi’s, and Pete Hegseth. Fuck those people.
The reason I said what I said is that disinformation is and has been dividing us and pitting us all against each other for years. And facts matter. Understanding the history of something doesn’t make you good or evil. It’s just wisdom.
if facts mattered we wouldnt be in this whole situation to begin with.
You are the one not understanding the history. You are adding doubt to symbols of white supremacy. You are pointing to the Christian equivalent of an ISIS flag and telling us it’s not “neo Nazi”.
No. You are putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say it wasn’t neo nazi at all, I said it wasn’t EXCLUSIVELY a nazi/neo-nazi symbol. Which is a fact.
Guy just comes over from reddit, uses reddit in his username, and proceeds to explain how the obviously nazi tattoos on the US Secretary of Defence are maybe not obviously nazi tattoos …
That’s because I READ AND LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS WORLD. Unlike most dumbasses that just read a headline and spew bullshit. I used reddit in my username to claim reddit is dead… so whatever the fuck that means. Go read a book.
If you read you’ve probably heard about a little something called “Occam’s razor”.
What’s the most probable answer, that a far right news host from a far right news channel is sporting his tattoos as a symbol of his love of history and the holy land, or that he’s sporting them because he’s a fucking nazi.
Nobody is denying your “history” of the symbol. We’re all well aware of the “larger story”. But it’s irrelevant because there’s an approximate 99.99999% probability that the guy who doesn’t understand the wider history of the cross is the guy that’s fucking wearing them.
You can write a thousand paragraphs “teaching people” all you want, but it’s totally irrelevant in this situation and you are only doing it in order to obfuscate the issue with meaningless nonsense.
I’m not intentionally obfuscating anything. I’m talking about the actual history of the symbols vs what people believe.
come from the Christian crusades originally
To me, this is equally as bad as Nazi symbology
They seem that way because they are that way.
They are, he is an extremist Christian. These are all used as dog whistles by Neo Nazi.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5191413/peter-hegseths-tattoos-are-raising-some-eyebrows
“Ne desit virtus” is the slogan of the 187 infantry regiment of the 101st Airborne Division. It means “Let Valor Not Fail”. That image above that slogan is the unit patch.
We infantry dudes usually have tattoos like this, nothing “Nazi” or “Fascist” about it.
However, as an enlisted grunt, the infantry officers, like Major Hegseth, are a different breed.
Cool. Now explain “deus vult” and the Jerusalem Cross in the context of their modern usage in North America.
It’s Latin for “God wills it” lol used in the first crusades.
Hegseth is Christian. What do you expect? He himself said he’s a devoted Christian. Even attend Jimmy Carter’s funeral in a church with those same crosses.
I’m aware of the far right uses of the cross and some of the phrases.
Other than the book he wrote about the crusades, none of these posters have provided any proof that he’s a fascist Nazi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult
It’s very suspicious. I wouldn’t say it’s incriminating evidence, but I would call it supporting if there were other fasc-y things about the individual.
Which there sure as fuck are.
But I dunno. The guy is either wearing a white-supremacist dog whistle, or he is super into the crusades (which famously went very well /s) which should disqualify him from leading the military either way.
I’m not a big Hegseth fan, I just want to make sure no one is talking shit about his army unit tattoo. Or misidentifying his army unit tat as a neo Nazi symbol. Cause there’s been a few of those already. I know that’s the least of everyone’s worries, and I can understand the accusations with the cross, cause every grunt I know has some kind of military tribute type tattoo.
People have died wearing that patch and shouldn’t be categorized as a “neo Nazi symbol”.
I know the cross has been the main focus, but like you said, he’s either a devout Christian history buff or he’s just a plain fascist.
Give me a fucking break. Do you carry water for all facists or just him?
He is a corporate hack from Fox News. This is literally the textbook definition of facism. As far as the Neo Nazi bit, I think the Iron Cross covers it for me.
It would, you’re too lazy to think for yourself.
Oh look guys, another Nazi apologist to block!
Yeah, it’s totally just a coincidence that deus vult and joking about crusades has been a meme in white nationalist communities and /pol/ for decades.
the entire US armed forces can suck my dick, no good organizations that only exist to colonize and terrorize the world. might as well be a nazi symbol; the exact shade of world domination doesn’t really matter.
Ok. Just have the navy suck your dick. They’d be happy to do it.
fair
If you guys didn’t watch the interview it’s (to no one’s surprise) fucking embarrassing. Terry keeps trying to move on while remaining firm and Trump just sits there being an argumentative shit because Terry refuses to budge. Good on him for keeping his journalistic integrity, and another pile of dicks to Donnie boi to suck.
How do you do it? How do you sit through it without ripping your ears off? I cant stand listening to the guy. Even a toddler sounds more cohesive… The moment I hear his voice I feel like my brain just killed a million brain cells out of protest.
Honestly the entire time I was suffering but basically was interested in the dude doing the interview. Yeah it hurt. A lot. I think I lasted a minute.
I had a long drawn out argument with a guy who insisted that HitlerPig was saying that the “tattoo” was just labelling his other tattoos, despite his original post clearly calling it a tattoo, and multiple sunsequent statements insisting it was a tattoo.
Obviously it wasn’t a tattoo, and this guy was insistent that HitlerPig never claimed it was, when he did, over and over, and here he is, still sticking to it.
The point is that these people believe whatever nonsense they make up is the truth, despite all evidence to the contrary.
“Dont bother me with facts, my mind’s made up.”
The real reason he will justify this bullshit like that is because he has to admit hes racist otherwise, “if hes brown I want him gone from my town” basically. Ask him if we should be deporting white right wing gang members based on their tattoos and show him cropped photos of Hegseths tats.
Full interview is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwCUPttprw
I really wish some of these reporters would dig in and challenge him. I get that its uncomfortable, but that’s your job.
His questions should have been:
- Do you think he has MS13, marijuana, smile, cross, skull tattooed on his hands? And not added with Photoshop later?
- Are you saying this combination of tattoos is a code to identify him as a member of MS13? Because gang experts have cast doubt on this interpretation.
- How many other MS13 members have this exact combination of tattoos on his hand? If its a sign of being a member of the gang, others should have it as well.
- Do you think a vague and symbolic tattoo is proof of belonging to criminal organization?
- Does this make your Secretary of Defense a white supremacist? Because he has numerous tattoos associated with that ideology.
- Do you have any real proof Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13? And if so why did your administration appeal his protected status in 2019?
Fully agree, however, the press has done that before and he just shuts down the question with some remark about the reporter and if they press, he walks out. Aside from physical restraint, I don’t think we will see him submit to any real questioning.
Then do it. Grill him until he walks out. Over and over. But they won’t.
I am really sick of the “mainstream media,” which is supposed to be so liberal. What passes for “journalism” these days is appalling.
When the El Salvador dictator met with HitlerPig in the Oval Office, Pam Bondi said that a plane could be sent for Garcia, but it they couldnt do it because they had no control over the landing in El Salvador. Then Trump said it wasnt up to us , it was up to El Salvador, and we couldnt control that. The the El Salvador dictator said that he couldn’t “smuggle” Garcia back to America, and he had nonl right to speak for another nation, and that it was a preposterous question.
And that was the end of it. Not one “journalist” stepped up with indignation, and said “Lets end this charade! Literally EVERY, SINGLE PERSON in the entire world that is required to make this decision is in this room right now. Nobody has to say, ‘Sounds good, let me run it past the bosses and get back to you.’ The people required to make this happen on both sides are literally sitting right next to each other. Why can’t you look at each other and agree to make it happen?” And then pushed them to cut a deal, or not, in front of the entire world.
The reporter who would have done that would have become the most famous journalist in the world at that moment. It would have totally changed the trajectory of their career, but not one of them did it. They seem to think that their job is to provide a platform for the MAGA Nazis to spew their propaganda, unchallenged.
And perhaps that is exactly their jobs, as demanded by their owners, who are Sociopathic Oligarchs and Corporations who have donated to HitlerPig’s Inauguration fund.
If he is MS13, why not imprison him in the US? Did you release a known terrorist?
How I long to be able to interrogate him and just be able to grab him by the neck uncomfortably tightly when he starts spewing some non-answer shit out of his mouth.
Trump is delusional. He also said in the interview that tourism has gone up and that the world’s respect fir America has improved
Wait for the numbers, the real numbers!11
Republicans are fucking pathetic.
Republicans no longer exist. It is the MAGA party, and it has very little in common with the Traditional GOP.
And all MAGAs are Traitors.
While I agree maga is end stage facism the GOP has been selling out the working class, escalating racism, pushing sexism, attacking unions, attacking civil rights, destroying worker protections, stealing elections, gerrymandering, bowing to corporate interests, destroying the social safety net , starting illegal wars and cutting taxes for the uber wealthy since Reagan. All these failed republican policies account for the entire national debt and then some when added up.
Trump is stupid. He needs to be removed from office.
By any means necessary.
Honestly I’m curious how the hell skull is even supposed to symbolize 3. A cross meaning one because “one true god” is a bit of a stretch too but the skull?
I think it’s because skull is cráneo in Spanish and so it starts with C, which is the third letter of the alphabet
That’s how conspiracy theories work. Mostly with dumb shit
I mean, gangs use symbology in their tattoos all the time. Same with Nazis. I’m not saying that’s what his tattoos mean at all, it’s just that such tattoos absolutely exist and are common.
True, but it’s not usually as coded as this or if it is, it’s a symbol that is common to all - more corporate logo than DaVinci code.
Also…
symbology
Ah yes let’s believe the man who has his hands photoshopped to look bigger, he’s such a dumb asswipe
Orwellian in the extreme.
