Summary

A genuine backlash to Trump’s ethno-nationalist authoritarianism may be starting to take shape on its own terms.

The Washington Post-ABC News poll shows “Trump slipping underwater on immigration, which has been his best issue,” with 56% of independents disapproving of his handling.

Only 21% of independents want wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to remain imprisoned. These policies “raise basic issues of fundamental fairness, due process, and the rule of law.”

Trump’s lawlessness across the board is clearly a problem, reinforcing the view he’s engaged in rampant extralegal abuses of power.

  • Zak@lemmy.world
    115·
    5 days ago

    How was anyone expecting the guy who openly tried to steal an election after losing to be anything but lawless?

    • Burninator05@lemmy.worldEnglish
      43·
      5 days ago

      You don’t even have to think that hard into it. The man is litterally a convicted felon. The only reason he isn’t in jail is Biden’s DoJ wasn’t as aggressive as it could have been.

      • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
        47·
        5 days ago

        Biden’s DOJ: People will respect us for being non-partisan

        People: See, if Trump did any real crimes he’d be in prison but he’s not because Biden’s DOJ was just playing politics

    • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      4 days ago

      The mass media, even so called lefty MSNBC which is center at best. Though usually pretty solid right. Didn’t cover it with the appropriate tone or seriousness it deserved. MSNBC did at least start out that way and tried before giving up. The rest of the media never did. And so there was 4 years of largely rehab to trumps image. The simple fact that he incited a coup wasn’t brought up much for fear of losing access.

      And so, people started to question their own eyes. Question whether there was actually really a coup or not. If it was just being blown out of proportion like conservatives blow fluoride in the water out of proportion. If the popular media isn’t going to treat it like it’s serious why would the average consumer of popular media?

      Hell so much of the media spent so much more time covering Republican false accusations of Democrats smuggling in immigrants to hurt America. Suddenly the truth became lies and lies became the truth.

      And before you admonish and ridicule these people for not going to such and such website to get the truth etc. A lot of people don’t get their information and news online still. Relying on the completely captured 4th estate to report on and distill even news happening online down for them. And this is the power of control and propaganda. For a short while at least perception can be reality. We need to spend less time haranguing and attacking people who mistakenly voted for trump. Instead trying to find a way to disarm and defeat the captured fourth estate.

      • Zak@lemmy.world
        2·
        4 days ago

        And before you admonish and ridicule these people for not going to such and such website to get the truth etc.

        Clearly everyone who isn’t getting their news from Lemmy is irresponsible!

        Sure, there are valid complaints about the media, but anyone who heard Trump say

        I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have

        and still voted for him had everything they needed to know better, and who didn’t hear that excerpt from the Raffensperger call?

        • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          4 days ago

          Honestly without knowing the context something like that actually would be easy to slip by. It’s absolutely simple to think of any campaign saying we need to find X votes in this region to win. Though usually we would just think they’re talking about actually winning votes and not just whipping them up out of thin air or disenfranchising others to get them.

          And remember again. That wasn’t in the media very long at all. It was even more of a blip than anything related to January 6th. Republicans and fascists can keep a line in the public Consciousness for decades. Democrats can’t even stay focused on the truth and pushing it. For more than a month or two. Of course it’s really easy to perpetuate a message and control it when you control the media and Outlets that people get it from. So Democrats are always going to be at a disadvantage. Even if they did try.

          Honestly I’m not sure what an actual good solution is to this problem. About the best I can think of right now is everyone should be friends with a good poli-size student when it comes to politics or someone involved in research science when it comes to science Etc. To help temper their understanding and cut through a lot of sensationalist b******* that gets put out there

    • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
      11·
      5 days ago

      It wasn’t his fault. You might as well blame gunmakers for school shootings.

      Trump had nothing to do with January 6, and the fact that he’s pardoned so many of the people who were there shows how compassionate he is!

      No /s because that’s what the MAGats will tell you

    • barneypiccolo@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      Thats not true. Partisans don’t understand how true Independents think about politics. Often they think Indies are Centrists, or wishy washy Conservatives or Democrats. I’ve been an Unafilliated Independent since I first registered to vote in 1977. I have voted Republican, Democratic, and 3rd party, but I have always voted. Being an Unafilliated Independent means that I have ALWAYS had to choose the lesser of two evils.

      I don’t choose my positions on issues based on my party affiliation, like party members do. I choose my positions based on my research, and my determination as to the best solution to solve the problem, no matter which side of the spectrum that falls. Sometimes its on the right (death penalty, guns, etc.), and sometimes its on the left (abortion, social safety nets, etc.).

      Most often, including the issues I just mentioned, I am somewhere in a grey area, supporting positions that aren’t even on the table, but would make more sense that those that the parties supports, which tend to be based more on whatever will attract votes, rather than whatever will work best.

      For instance, I think we should preserve the Death Penalty, but it should be extremely rare, and used only for the most heinous crimes, such a serial murderers or child torture murderers, and even then, only when the guilt is not in dispute in any way. It should be used only a handful of times a decade. Guns should be legal, but have guardrails like a 21 yo ownership age, training for concealed carry, and limitations on military style weapons, high capacity magazines, etc. Abortion should be easily available in the first trimester, and very difficult in the final trimester.

      Its hard to occupy positions outside of the mainstream, because its much harder to navigate nuance, and many people dont have the Critical Thinking Skills to have confidence in their own decisions. Its much easier to listen to what your party wants, and choose to adopt their position.

      Overall, I make my choice for President (and other offices) based on which candidate I believe is going to be a move America in a Constructive direction, which is why I often refer to myself as a Constructive Unafilliated Independent. These days, I am only voting for Democrats, because there is no Republican Party, and the MAGA Party is the most treasonous, seditious, corrupt, most Destructive party in American history, and I will not vote for anyone who supports them in the slightest way, and that includes weak-willed Democrats who vote for MAGA legislation or appointments.

    • Zenith@lemm.ee
      7·
      4 days ago

      After Harris went AWOL after the election I now consider myself an independent leftist, I don’t belong anywhere right now, dems hate that I think is bullshit harris isn’t leading a resistance and I’m obviously not conservative, at all, so… I’m an independent for right now, I think a lot of people are right now but haven’t embraced it.

  • 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee
    513·
    5 days ago

    Only 21% of independents want wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to remain imprisoned.

    Translation: 21% of independents are a**holes.

  • randon31415@lemmy.world
    2·
    3 days ago

    Why? Because now is the time to do things that people won’t remeber in 19 months when the next poll that matters takes place.

  • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    5 days ago

    It makes sense, he doesn’t need independents anymore. In fact, if he holds on to power past 2028, he won’t need any votes at all to do it.

      • mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        20·
        5 days ago

        He’s selling Trump 2028 merch and his DOJ just said ICE can search any home they want, the FBI is arresting Judges that obey due process. The present situation is outrageous

          • mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            6·
            5 days ago

            In fact, if he holds on to power past 2028, he won’t need any votes at all

            I see a call to action in the statement.

            We won’t allow this to happen. You’re normalizing the outrageous.

            To me that sounds like we won’t let it happen, but there’s no further explanation of how. So I’ll ask you directly, do you have some suggestions on how we’ll not let that happen?

      • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        5 days ago

        … I said “if”. And you don’t need me to normalize the outrageous, those 70+ million people who voted for the guy already did.

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
    9·
    5 days ago

    With all the constitution and laws I find it scary that america cannot (or does not want to) stop the monster they hired for their president.