Less of an overhaul, more of a keelhaul
guns
Held by whom? Pointed at whom?
the people the fascists
In western states, quite a few of the people are the fascists. Quite a few more are sympathetic to fascists. And those who work forces are regularly the ones who burn crosses.
“If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
― Malcolm X
Needless to say, we live in a nation full of uncareful people.
i’m pretty sure any society that truly wanted to fix itself would require a pretty large purge.
DOGE is a purge, of sorts. I don’t think its fixing things.
we have to stop making goose and gander comparisons. they’re sociopaths. we’re the good guys. it’s ok when the good guys do it.
they’re sociopaths. we’re the good guys
They’re sociopaths, certainly. But they’re sociopaths who the liberal faction seem content (perhaps even eager) to roll over for.
I don’t see many good guys. Only the bad and the ugly.
Doesn’t most of the world already work like this? I have to identify myself to vote in my country, it’s the obvious way to prevent people from voting more than one time.
I live in a country where every citizen automatically receives a government id at the age of 12. We have to bring that id when we go to vote, but even if I were to lose the card at the worst possible time, there are contingency measures to allow me to still cast my vote. The idea is to get as many people as possible to vote, the id card greatly facilitates this process, but it’s not used as a tool to keep people from voting.
In the usa (and the uk, and maybe other countries as well), citizens are not automatically granted an id card. Instead they have to acquire + maintain some accepted means of identifying themselves if they want to vote. And there some Americans saw a great opportunity: what if they made it so that certain minority groups would have a statistically harder time acquiring and maintaining identification that was deemed acceptable? And what if the state government could arbitrarily purge voter lists based on data mined information? The voter id requirements are used not only for facilitating the voting process, but also for suppressing undesired votes.
If you want some examples of usa voter suppression: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States
The key is what id would be acceptable.
They’ll raise the bar until only ids most people (they don’t like) don’t have and they have already destroyed the public service so getting one will ve very very hard and/or expensive
Interestingly, it may backfire on them. For example they cite Real Id or passport.
So passport only people who travel internationally bother to get. The rural MAGAs are less likely to get this.
For Real Id, it’s more likely since that can be done with your license, however most people I know who do not fly have not bothered, because it’s a hassle, they have to find DMV acceptable materials for a feature they don’t even need (if you aren’t flying, you still won’t need real id for much of anything).
I can 100% guarantee that implementation will be left up to the states, and there will be a discretionary level of federal oversight. Rural Louisiana officials will be given leeway to allow votes for people who seem genuine. Meanwhile every single signature will be audited in New Orleans, and a computer glitch will accidentally purge a lot of people. Every town of 350 people will have 4 registration offices, and every large college town will have one office open 10am to 1pm with a 2 hour break for lunch. Registered Republicans will get mail, emails and calls reminding them to register to vote. Democratic party members will get one flyer that gets lost in the mail.
If you think these rules will be applied fairly to all, you’re a sucker.
There are other methods. In NZ every enrolled voter’s name gets printed into a physical book, and then crossed off by poll workers when they arrive to vote. An “easy vote” card is also mailed out to everyone, which is basically in index card to make it easier to look you up in the book.
As part of the vote counting process, all these books are checked against each other, to identify if a person has cast a vote at multiple polling places. With any duplicates investigated by the electoral commission.
Effectively the only way to manipulate the vote count would be to spend election week driving around the country, voting once per polling station under the name of a person you knew was enrolled to vote, but would not be voting themselves.
There were ~150 cases of attempted/apparent vote fraud in the last election, out of ~2M votes cast. That seems like a fairly low number to me, and I would not support any attempts to restrict voting to prevent it.
Yeah I don’t get it either. Every election I voted in I’ve had to have id. It’s been like this for a long time and it hasn’t shifted so that we need proof of ethnicity or some other bs people here are suggesting will happen next.
Every election I voted in I’ve had to have id.
I’m currently trying to get my newborn son a passport, as the offices that handle this - SSA, Post Office, etc - are rapidly being dismantled by DOGE. I have no idea how we’ll be able to maintain or renew our documentation in coming years, given that there’s simply not going to be anyone to stamp the forms and mail me renewed papers at this rate.
it hasn’t shifted so that we need proof of ethnicity or some other bs
It specifically has for transgender people. We’ve seen both state and national rules changes that no longer recognize change of gender identity on forms. So a person who shows up to vote with a form that shows “Man” when presenting as a Woman is prime target for disenfranchisement.
We’re also increasingly seeing Hispanic and Arab people targeted for arrest and imprisonment, purely on an individual not currently carrying ID (and - in many cases - despite this fact). It isn’t hard to imagine this persecution continuing into the next election cycle, with DHS agents grabbing people at polling stations.
Thank you for your insight. I hadn’t realized how obtaining an id could be an issue. We just use our driver’s licence (issued by the police) which most of us have already at hand. Wish you and the family all the best.
Trump is doing this to distract media attention from the biggest fuck-up of his administration so far, and there’s been a lot.
Well, destroying democracy is pretty distracting, so kudos, I guess.
Other way around. He’s taking advantage of the distraction to make an order that - without hyperbole - could literally end democracy in the US.
That we know. That likely wasn’t the only signal chat group these idiots were using , and they probably still are.
of course not. if it were, there would be at least one person going “why are we using signal for this?” or at least “is this ok that we’re doing this over signal?”
they’re the most incompetent bunch of losers you could possibly bring together. I don’t think you could manage this is you put an ad on Craigslist for incompetent losers, or have a fucking dimwit convention.
the biggest fuck-up of his administration so far
The biggest fuck-up of his administration this week.
His administration is a scandal factory.
They will fuck up and make a mess, and their solution is to make a bigger mess to distract from the one they just made.
What about the bigger mess? Well I guess they’ll just have to make an even bigger mess to cover that one up.
Rinse and repeat.Thus solving the problem once and for all!
Yes perhaps we should first require military communications required everyone involved be identified and verified, hmm?
It seems like the biggest military intelligence fuck up in recent memory. Not just his administration.
Oh. Ok. I’ll sit down then. Not like he’d actually do anything this time.
Right?
“Papers, please!”
Welcome to the United States of Arstotzka
Cause no trouble.
Words you can hear. “Παπερσ”
And when that horn blows and you have to take out your rifle and blast’em.
Call your local & state officals about this. The federal government does not run elections. It’s the state and local officals that do even for federal office. They are the ones who chose to follow or not follow a blatantly illegal order
Trump is threatening to pull unrelated federal funding if they don’t, but he’s been pulling funding for many states anyways for zero reason. Make sure your local & state officals know you’ll have their back if they don’t bow down
Call your local & state officals about this.
That’s cute.
Arm yourselves.
The US system is so weird, federal elections are handled at a lower level of power and differently depending on which state you live in, it makes no sense. You guys need an independent body handling federal elections so everyone’s vote is handled the same way no matter where they live… And paper ballots, fucking hell you guys need to go back to paper ballots.
I think the states handling election in theory makes sense. It’s a decentralized system that is harder to undermine. An independent body may bring consistency, but I don’t think that helps at all in combatting Trump’s tampering.
Also, many states are using paper ballots and always have been.
Decentralization isn’t always better, it’s not as efficient and, in this case, it makes it so people’s ability to choose their president varies by state and in red states there’s scheming to prevent the Democrats from gaining ground.
With an independent body and equal access to voting for all, Trump wouldn’t have been elected in the first place.
You say it’s harder to undermine but it’s getting undermined while we don’t have issues like we see in the USA right next door in Canada.
I think you are coupling a centralized voting system with one that gives equal access, and I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Being a centralized system makes it consistent, but not necessarily fair.
An independent body could be easier to undermine (single point of attack), and be just as likely, if not more likely, to reduce voting access across the country all at once. I think we’d have corruption either way. The inefficiency of the decentralized system could be slowing it down.
I think you are looking at the system with hindsight and assuming that because the current system is suffering problems, that a different system wouldn’t suffer those same problems. I don’t think you can justify that conclusion
The problem here isn’t efficiency though. Inefficiency I think is a reasonable trade off to make to prevent corruption at scale.
But there’s corruption and it’s inefficient… It takes days or weeks to get results in some states but not in others, some people simply don’t have access to a place to cast their vote to prevent them from voting for the “wrong” party…
Shall we sow stars on our clothes as well?
Only if you want them to sprout.
If this isn’t your line for outright riots America then I struggle to think of what is.
Problem is, when the riots do eventually start, there will be no going back. One way or another this will be a completely different country in probably less than a year.
The bigger problem is when the riots start so does martial law. That is the final step according to project 2025.
good. let’s get this shit over with.
When we riot, they will crack down. At BEST it will be a civil war. This isn’t Europe. The US government can, will, and previously has mass-killed protesters. In the US, we can only riot when we are no longer afraid to die. And that’s a big ask of anyone at any time.
Tik tok ban
The voter stealer wants fix elections to prevent further vote thefts. Irony.
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Constitution leaves the matter of election of electors to the states.
then comes proof of ethnicity or something
Land ownership
wouldn’t put it past them to do that. a big hurdle that keeps getting taller.
Here we go. I guess congress Rs will bend, while the Ds just hold signs again. Thanks america, I hope this is what you wanted. Now bend over and spread those tight cheeks.
So? The idea itself is not inherently bad. If I want to vote in Germany I go to the local polling station, show my ID (proof if citizenship) and hand over my voting documents (so I can only vote once, also the volunteers will mark me on a list) and I vote. And no, I don’t have to register to vote.
Your problem is that your common way of identifying is your damn drivers license and not an ID card like in nearly every other country.
Not defending this big, orange, walking, talking and shaking with his little hands, asshole. Just saying, not all of your problems are caused by him. Many of them are inherent to your political system.
I am so FUCKING TIRED of naive sheltered Europeans with functioning democracies not taking 5 minutes to read American history to see why this is quite nearly the worst possible thing our government could do. Not worst as in “oooh it’s a mistake” but worst as in intentional evil.
I read quiet a lot about us history. But our viewpoints are different on it.
Also, your political system enables this asshole. He uses your own legislative and political system against you.
You have to make sure to fix this ASAP. I know own it is hard, I know in your the winner takes it all system, and how changes to the constitutions are done that this is hard. Very hard. But what are your options? Give up?
Assume Trump dies on a overdose of lead next week, the next asshole can use the same system to try again.
A social security card is practically a national id card but without your picture. I’m a little surprised we’ve gone so long without one.
A social security number/card is not exclusive to citizens. Green card/permanent residents, for example, usually get them - particularly, if planning to/already working.
Any kind of national/citizen id would need a whole new process and require it be provided to 100% of existing citizens. Time-consuming and certainly a cost associated with the process.
It’s one of those “in theory” easy things, but a lot more difficult in practice, I imagine.
Just start now to give out an idea to anybody that reaches voting age. Don’t bother about the older ones.
It will take time, but it does not overload your system
But what about that president from Kenya?
This will get shot down faster than there can even be controversy. Founding fathers would be rolling in their graves, and there‘s no way the Supreme Court can squeeze that kind of interpretation out of the Constitution.
That being said, it may give some state legislators cover to go with it.
Oh you sweet, sweet summer child…
This has been a GOP wet dream for years. States and GOP legislators are going to cram this through by any means necessary. The Supreme Court has used medieval text from completely other countries in order to justify rulings and have openly said precedent doesn’t mean shit to them. These people will cram this through and smile while doing it.
I wish that were true
Founding fathers would be pissed that [slur removed] are voting. The constitution was written to oppress these people.
When you make oppression your whole identity
