Summary
Trump and Zelenskyy’s confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced “mob boss foreign policy” serving Russian interests.
Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their “extortionate” minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump’s stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.
Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia’s 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.
This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.
Most embarrassed I’ve been to call myself an american. And I’m a veteran.
Absolutely disgusting.
I’m so angry and embarrassed. What a total shit show.
Since 2015 ish I started unfollowing both left and right side friends because of political talk from people on my friends list on Facebook. I really have pruned it to be only people that post stuff they’re doing. Same for people that only forward stuff. (News or whatever).
I broke down and posted about yesterday on my feed with a link to a YouTube video of the press conference. Expressing how utterly disgusted I was.
It’s a minor thing but it should make it very clear how I feel and the line we crossed with that display.
Seems like you did an unnecessary pruning then. You just weren’t angry yet.
No I was angry but wanted a clean online space that I was kinda stuck on due to remote family…
Edit: I am more angry now so you’re not technically wrong <sigh>
I have followed a lot. I’m passionate too. However, this. This was just too much. It’s upsetting and disgusting and embarrassing for us. I really wish Obama and Biden and Clinton and everyone would be more fucking vocal. They do it for silent respect? There is nothing respectful about anything Trump has done. We need real leaders.
I was pretty embarrassed when he was elected the first time, then really embarrassed when he was elected the second time too, but yeah, this is a new low.
Embarrassed? I went into a deep depression and could barely get out of bed, the second time.
Sorry to hear, that’s terrible and understandable. The country is definitely in a bad place right now and hopefully the safeguards that haven’t already been dismantled will hold and he can’t do too much damage.
I kind of did too. But then I realized there’s still a chance to turn things around so I started getting involved with local activist chapters. Do what you can and try to get your family involved. It all helps.
I voted by mail went to Hawaii hoping to tune it out. All it did was depress the fuck out of me during my vacation. I put on a fake smile and tried to enjoy myself, but the 2nd half of that trip sucked.
Yea, me too. That was a sense of doom on another level.
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You should look up war criminal, because I don’t believe you know what it means
Don’t feed the trolls :)
Too edgy 4me man.
That sentence is written in a way where they could have easily meant “I should be far more embarrassed for being a veteran but this is taking the cake”.
And most people who serve in the US military are pushed into because they can’t afford life otherwise. I’m sure many are pretty shit, but most are honestly kinda just your average person. As an institution it’s not got the best track record but it’s not the IDF gleefully and openly murdering children.
Now please stop making me have to defend the US military of all things, it feels icky.
I really don’t care for that excuse.
"I really don’t want to but I’m a poor black kid and no chance of education otherwise. " If you CHOOSE to better yourself at the expense of others, and think your solution is joining an organisation that is in the business of murdering and looting then they can go to hell.
They most certainly murder children and are also guilty in helping the IDF do it. Not just supplying weapons.They can choose to get a gun and rob banks or rich assholes.
That would be way more honorable and fair than cowardly bombing brown people from a distance for some money.Except most of them are fully brainwashed. Recruiters literally go into their schools and start when they’re young, and they leave out all the important details. These days it’s pretty obvious, and there’s a reason that they’re struggling to get numbers like they used to, but if someone is already a veteran then they joined up many years ago.
Telling someone to go rob a bank is just insane. I get the sentiment, I really do, but c’mon man have at least a little empathy. I’m not asking for anything more than maybe chilling on the default “war criminal” stuff. I’m even happy to agree that the institution is shady as fuck and full of issues. There’s nuance here, and nuance is not an synonym for “excuse”, it just means that it’s more than 0 or 100.
I will copy/paste my response and add that I also have a hangover:
This is a subject that pisses me off every time. No organisation in the world is more harmful and it causes enourmous misery for millions. When someone defends those, make’s excuses for them or bring up someone’s a veteran implying they deserve respect, have done some service for the country or even heroes I get indeed very confrontational. You’re 100% right that it doesn’t help to convince people. I usually try a more tranquil approach on other subjects. Even then the reaction is almost invariably insults and accusations. At least it will be an eye opener for some that believed everyone is like them and they are universally loved. But thanks for your sensible advice.
I forgot to mention it doesn’t really matter what I say since much less controversial comments of mine sget removed systematically and rapidly when they go against the narrative.
I never said they deserved respect, I mean calling someone a war criminal while they actively criticize GOP foreign policy is fucking wild. You started this all on your own.
The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It’s almost unbelievable that this actually occurred…
I don’t think Ukraine is an ally anymore. I don’t think much of Europe is our ally at this point
I’m certainly not an ally, and I live here.
I mean, same. I hate that I’m an American rn.
most embarrassing moment in American history
so far.
Its wild how much damage is being done in such a short time and how powerless everyone is to do anything.
Almost. But some of us could tell he was a Manchurian Candidate
More embarrassing than Holocaust denial and the slaughter of indigenous people?
There’s lots of embarrassing things. There’s lots of really bad embarrassing things.
I hear the French had a most fabulous invention that could help with these sorts of problems.
The Etch-A-Sketch?
But not quite as embarrassing as your comment history.
Dunning Kruger indeed
That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He’s a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it’s all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.
He hasn’t figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.
He’s bankrupted everything he’s tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he’s going to bankrupt America.
If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.
He tries to run diplomatic relations like he would be dealing with NYC mobsters. That man is entirely unsuited for office. The US population which elected him has shown to be unsuited for the leadership role they claim their country has. That’s the reality the rest of the world is facing. The US is a troubled state and an unreliable ally. Moreover, they are acting in the interests of adversarial nations to world peace and prosperity. Other nations who did that have been deemed rogue or terrorist states.
Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico.
Trump’s tariffs are about to come into effect against Canadian goods in a couple days. I fully expect to see another meltdown from Trump. I really hope Trudeau records the entire meeting/phone call and makes it public so the whole world can witness it.
At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.
The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.
So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.
That’s the kind of idiot he has always been.
Now I want to learn about that building.
https://drivingfordeco.com/stewart-and-company/
There’s actually a picture of Jackie O and John Jr. shopping in the store.
That was the most beautiful building? I hate Trump but it’s so plain. I was expecting something actually cool looking.
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No one said Trump Tower is better, only that the original building should, by basically any metric, be considered “among the most beautiful in New York”.
✨ Reading comprehension ✨
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Yea dude, it’s got a fancy entryway visible even in the first photo that I suppose I should have mentioned, and a lot of interior stuff that is specifically not part of the façade, which is what people had asked him to keep on the lower floors.
I’d say try harder but you might hurt yourself.
Never said Trump Tower was better I just said that other building wasn’t beautiful.
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I live near Detroit, The Guardian Building especially the interior. I did a move job there for Wayne County. Beautiful building. One Detroit Center and The Fisher Theater too. The Renaissance Center can get pushed into the river though.
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Real “Oh you like buildings? Name all of them.” energy
Wow, they replaced boring with tacky. Yea it was a downgrade but c’mon, that thing’s a plain block of concrete with a couple of carvings so high up that no one can even really see them. I was expecting it too at least look like the Flat Iron building or something(which isn’t wild, but at least it has texture).
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I even gave you an example of where my preference was leaning and sure as shit wasn’t that. You’re either too stupid to communicate properly or one of those broken people who think trolling is fun and frankly I don’t have time for either.
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He took away anyone’s right to ever suggest a woman would be too emotional to be president lmao.
You expect Republicans to be consistent? They live for hypocrisy.
Yeah exactly. I wonder how Trump would’ve responded if anyone in the room asked him if he would have used diplomacy had he been president during Pearl Harbour or 9/11. I’d have loved to see him squirm his way out of that one after he stated that Zelensky needs to be open for concessions in exchange for peace.
“If I’d been president they wouldn’t have dared to attack us!”
Karens yelling at cashiers in the checkout line also think they’re humiliating their victims.
Has Trump done anything in the past month to not humiliate the US and drastically weaken our global strength and influence?
Some drone strikes on some Al Qaeda guys I guess? But nothing of significant note. The rest has been a complete humiliation of the US.
What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.
It’s an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He’s a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.
Of course it is. The country as a whole is infantile since they identified enough with him to vote him in.
Hey, this country’s been infantile for a lot longer than Trump has been alive
America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in
We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is …problematical, at best
So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.
Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.
Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other’s interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.
So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we’re helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.
Anyone know how fox news is spinning it to the Maga folk? I can’t bring myself to look at the cancer.
Zelenskyy gave Fox and interview which came off quite well.
Zelenski is an ungrateful bitch who got bitch slapped by Trump and will now give the US everything trump wants because trump best!
Something like that, probably
Just to clarify: I think zelenski is an example to the world and I think it’s very fair to call him the Churchill of our generation.
Churchill was an asshole garbage too
Sounds like something a Hitler glazer would say.
And he was the best war time leader the UK could have hoped for. Same goes for zelenski, though I think he might even be a good peace time leader, he definitely is the best war time leader Ukraine could want.
Care to explain or link an article?
Thank you.
He was kinda shit to India and probably some other things. But that’s just internet contrarian nitpicking stuff. When someone mentions Churchill everyone knows it means a leader that held strong against what seemed an impossible enemy to defeat.
Idk, but I’ve seen “Zelensky is a welfare queen asking for a handout” narrative and Zelensky is short and Donald tall so he gooder takes from the right. They are absolutely fucked in the head.
I remember before they criticized him for not wearing a suit which is a talking point that conveniently made to that meeting. Appearance doesn’t matter to them so much as the coverage.
Zelensky hasn’t put on a suit since the war started. He also has been maintaining a short beard and keeping his hair slightly mussed. It’s a powerful image for the men and women fighting for Ukraine’s freedom, showing that their president is right there with them where a suit and tie would make him look more like Farquaad.
He should come to the next meeting (if there is one) in a tan suit.
Eating a hamburger with Dijon mustard
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The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. “Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy”. Gross.
The tough guy act falls pretty flat to me when if it came down to it I’m pretty sure the average 13 year old could deal with this geriatric old man. Like gramps your bones are made of glass.
You know there’s something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.
U.S.S.A.
We should honestly update maps to show America as a Russian state. It’s still crazy that America won the cold war, but managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’ve been calling it the FSA (Fascist States of America).
This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn’t says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.
