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  • I know but I still disagree with her comments and policy/position on many issues. The greens are to far to the left of me which means they’re probably way to far left for vast majority of the country. What she is saying is dumb and if it hurts the greens thats good but if that spills over and hurts labour then thats terrible for the economic and social trajectory of the country.

    To me, every party except labour is harmful to the country.




  • My point is not that there is no where else to buy the products. My point is that there is no point in the government stepping in and deciding that nz businesses now have to pay extra.

    The US tariffs dont hurt us much. We can sell elsewhere and likely still complete in the us with the tariffs. However if our government tariggs us goods it will hurt us a lot. Extra costs on our top 3 US imports would make everything more expensive here, make our exports less competitive and do all this at a time when market capital is uncertain and liquidity is low.

    These devices all do final stage manufacturing in the US. Switching out a system can cost a fuck ton. If I had a John deer tractor system and I had to switch it to a Chinese one there would be a ton of things that dont work together and require buying a new thing. Thats wasteful.

    Nzers have more than enough reasons to boycott and avoid the us. I dont think it is a good idea for the government to make the decision for us.


  • Why do I have to be specific, the point stands on its own. Why should our businesses pay an increased price for American good? Our businesses will move away from American goods without the punishment of tariffs. Nz is not in the economical position for tariffs. We are already moving to create free trade agreements in Asia and the EU which is enough hurt to the us.

    Our 3 biggest imports from the US are agricultural machinery, ICT goods and healthcare goods. So I’d say those are hard and costly to replace especially with vendor lock in.

    Edit: Im trying to correct the record on this because I saw somewhere people were also calling Hipkins a spineless coward for saying NZ shouldnt launch reciprocal tariffs.


  • A lot of what we import from the US is machinery, im assuming its specialized machinery that is designed to work together with other products from that company as the US is notorious for closed eco systems. If we tariff the US then we are forcing our businesses to pay extra for those machines or pay the cost of refitting their entire fleet. Doing this at a time when markets are crashing and uncertainty is high is in my opinion supremely stupid.

    I’m all for trying to hurt the US but nz returning the tariffs doesn’t hurt the US since the cost is paid by nz buisness. The US hurt themselves already by putting tariffs on us. NZ can chill and do its own thing, we can weather this storm pretty easily. The US has stabbed us in the back and even without tariffs I can bet that NZ businesses will be looking for non US suppliers where possible.