Everyone of these dumb fucks can just go shut the fuck up. They are one of the main reasons for the Trump victory. All of them knew Trump would be worse, but they were all too fucking stupid to just go with the least bad option. Kamala was not a good candidate, but she was better than Trump in every facet.
The vote was down to preservation of democracy or end democracy and start FACISM. Murika voted for fascism.
More than half of the US never votes at all.
If voting were mandatory this would never have been the result.
Saying people deserve to be put in camps because they try to stay sane living paycheck to paycheck is kind of a little bitch take on this whole situation
Sorry I haven’t had my coffee and might have missed it, but did either commenter you replied to say people deserve to be put in camps?
It’s implied. /s
Democracy died a long, long time ago. The options were preservation of our neoliberal corporate order, or fascism. The status quo died in 2016 and Dems are hodling hard until I’m guessing America is a completely hollow husk of its former self. But at least they played fair!
Damn straight. I really didn’t like Kamal, but it was a no brainer to vote for her.
They were too insignificant to listen to. They’re too insignificant to blame.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame. They aren’t as bad as people that directly voted for him, but they are the next worst thing and the difference between is borderline indiscernible.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
Centrists ignored them on the grounds that they could afford to lose them. You were wrong.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
Except blaming people you screamed at for a solid year.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision. They decided to support fascism and Trump and defending that decision is the same the same thing.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision.
I know. And they lost votes because they wouldn’t give up support for genocide. Naturally, since no centrist can ever admit when they’re wrong, they blame the voters they hate.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
If democrats can blame them, they were fools to ignore them.
It’s true but they still made the choice they made, and that’s unforgivable. Fuck em, Trump lovers.
It’s true but
…but you want to blame people whose families were getting genocided for not being happy to vote like you ordered them to.
Your party shat the bed. They knew who they had to appeal to in order to win. But since that’s beneath them, they lost.
No, it’s not about them doing what we “ordered” them to. It’s about them doing what would result in the best outcome for themselves.
Dems don’t have the emotional intelligence to understand that most Americans don’t know which policies will benefit them, most don’t know any policies at all.
They have to put money in people’s bank account and take money from the rich if they want to communicate a good economy instead of telling everyone we are the best while their quality of life rapidly erodes.
You say that to people whose families were just murdered with weapons you provided and intend to continue providing.
You then scream that they’re morons for not being as happy as you are about it.
You then wonder why they’re not enthusiastic to vote for that to continue.
And now insignificant enough to be forgotten
…until you need someone to scapegoat for the party’s next loss.
This attitude will never get people on your side
Go fuck yourselves. Almost everyone tried to tell you this was going to end badly.
Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election
This rhetoric exist to turn poor people against each other
Proof?
Go look at democrat proportinal voter demographic changes from 2020>2024 and you’ll come to the same conclusion as everyone else who does the work.
So, no proof?
Im sorry can you not read?
You understanding reality is not my responsibility.
Go look it up, because you will just whine and move the bar no matter what I show you.
Because you aren’t here to learn, you’re here to bitch and attention seek
Ok I looked it up and what I find says entirely different. Thanks for the meme.
God. Damn these people are so pants shittingly stupid.
They are going to be yelling about how no palestinian can be removed from their land even as they are being tossed onto a plane to El Salvador.
Stupid fuckers. All it’s going to take is one u s soldier getting his boot scuffed, and they’ll round them all up.
They’ve been scuffing the boots of IDF soldiers for years and they’re still going
But, hey, I’m sure the US is totally different, look at how easy and cheap it was for us to occupy Iraq /s
Not to mention, Trump is a peacetime president. He’s ending the Ukraine War and the Israel Palestine War
day 1week 1whenever convenientcommitting US troops to Gaza to commandeer the land and redevlop it as a US territory, while also threatening to take over the Panama Canal, Greenland, and to annex Canada, and requesting Zelensky allow Putin to ravage Ukrainian land and likely install puppet govt while prosecuting any Ukrainian loyalists as the Russians see fit.You know. Peaceful things.
Why would trump’s military care about easy or cheap?
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Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election
This rhetoric exist to turn poor people against each other
Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote on X: “Gaza MUST BE FREE from Hamas. As @POTUS shared today, the United States stands ready to lead and Make Gaza Beautiful Again. Our pursuit is one of lasting peace in the region for all people.”
Ahmad, the spokesperson for the Abandon Harris campaign and a Palestinian activist, also said: “Despite the entire world being against them, Palestinians have proven that they will be victorious. They are returning to their homes and living among the rubble—people like that cannot be defeated. That is not a matter of opinion; it is a fact.”
The level of cope is just so hard here.
I bet this face must be extra tasty for the leopards.
“Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land,” Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
I hope what’s happening to the Palestinian people never happens to you, but if it does I hope people don’t treat you the same when you beg for help for your friends and family who have spent their entire lives under occupation and multiple genocides.
Hopefully someone doesn’t have to write a new poem, but it seems like humanity didn’t learn the lesson last time:
I hope I’m not ever stupid enough to pick a Republican that has pushed for Palestinians to be removed from Gaza, that told Israel to do what they had to do to end the war during the election, and talked about harsh punishments for pro-Palestinian protestors into office.
One can be critical about the one side support from the Biden administration, which I absolutely was and still am, yet realize that there are worse people out there and not be so stupid as to let that evil into power.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
Regardless of who won, the genocide was set to continue.
The only leverage they had to get Biden to stop supporting a genocide was to threaten to withhold votes
When Biden/Kamala refused to listen, some voters held their ground.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
I held my nose and voted D like I always do.
But I understand why others didn’t, and that a candidate who already agrees with their base has a better chance then one who the base disagrees with.
So logically, we need to not keep trying to force a candidate on dem voters who is more conservative then Dem voters.
If you want to yell at people who were chased away from the political process by Biden/Kamala’s policies…
You’re going to have to go find them, they’re politically disengaged, they’re not going to be hanging out in political social media communities.
You’re gonna have to leave the comfort of your couch and do it face to face, go get right up to them and taunt them about the generations of family who have been abused and killed.
I won’t wait to hear back how it went, but I wish you the best of luck.
Oh, those people are absolutely here. I’ve had multiple arguments with them for the past week or so.
They’re trying as hard as they can to justify letting fascism win. I guess it’s so they can sleep at night pretending their protest didn’t condemn millions to suffer and actively make the situation worse for the people they were protesting for.
You just replied to multiple of comments of mine across different threads in the span of minutes…
Is this a coincidence thing or did I block your main account and you just noticed and desperately want to restart an old argument anywhere you can?
I hate to ask, but unfortunately this wouldn’t be the first time.
I guess I just really disagree with your opinions.
Blaming the voters for the absense of an anti-genocide candidate seems really productive. Maybe if we keep re-litigating the election for the next four years the Democrats will run Hillary again. /s
Moderates:
The problem with Republicans is their blind support of trump, they’ll always vote R!
Also moderates, often in the same breath:
The problem with Democrats is they want to hold politicians to a higher standard, instead of blindly voting D!
“Biden/Harris must stop what’s happening in Gaza! The status quo isnt acceptable at all, but at least advocacy and support groups will have the ability to continue lobbying the government under Harris. Under trump they’ll be branded terrorists and deported to remote prisons”
Missed that one.
Blame the voters, for donvict being in office?
Why yes, I think I will. Who else to blame? It’s not like candidates voted themselves into office.
Don’t vote? Don’t complain when things go to shit.
Also, want change? Actually vote in the primaries, donate to a better candidate, volunteer for the better candidate, and fucking vote in the primaries.
Jesus, everyone thinks that MAGA’s control came overnight, this shitshow took most of the 40+years of being on this earth to happen.
Their campaign to radically remake America has gone back even further than that. The reactionary mindset hates freedom of others and cannot stand being hemmed in even slightly by any kind of debt to society or being decent to others, etc…
So the xtian loons, the white supremacists and the people that give themselves bullshit titles like “job creators” got together on this…
What primaries? The Democrats don’t hold those anymore.
You ought to be blaming the Democrats for pushing another status quo candidate without even running a primary.
The voters aren’t responsible for the uninspiring candidate they were offered, and the Democrats are too busy projecting their failure on their constituents to take responsibility and make changes to prevent it from happening again.
That blame is ongoing. But it wasn’t going to change anything in the fall off 2024. The train already left the station. Given that, when trump was one of the tracks, the only sane option was to avoid it. All other logic is secondary after that.
That’s the problem with treating an election like a moral dilemma, this perspective forces you to take the party itself for granted.
You sat and watched as the Democrats set up a Trolley Problem, but you’re blaming the people they put at the switch rather than they who tied us to the tracks in the first place.
Lil Marco is such a pathetic bootlicking weenie.
Reminder from the comedy world - punch up, not down
who ever thought trump would be better for palestinians is dumb asf. not saying harris would have done a good job since it seems no president will take their side.
“Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land,” Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
What? If it’s not Trump, nor Biden, nor Harris who decides, why was only Harris punished for it?
Because woman.
“Hitler doesn’t decide whether or not Britain surrenders, that decision is up to the British people.”
“What? Then why is everyone so mad at Hitler then?”
I wasn’t trying to be flippant, I guess I saw it as “Churchill and Truman can’t decide whether Poland surrenders, that’s up to the polish people” and then for people to be mad only at Churchill.
It seemed like they were saying it’s under no one’s control outside of the Palestinians, but were still saying it was ___'s fault. Sorry that I misunderstood.
why was only Harris punished for it
Trump: “I’m doing genocide.”
Harris: “I’m also doing genocide.”
Palestinians: “I can’t vote for either of these two.”
Liberals: “Well then, I guess you deserve the genocide you get.”
Wasn’t this specifically against Harris? I get why they were against Harris, I just don’t know why they were only “Abandon Harris” instead of abandoning the whole process or what have you.
Wasn’t this specifically against Harris?
It was specifically against the current administration, which was funding and propagandizing a genocide.
I just don’t know why they were only “Abandon Harris” instead of abandoning the whole process
The turnout for Democrats plunged between 2020 and 2024. A big chunk of that came from liberal Midwesterners staying out of the election entirely because they had no candidate to support in the race.
Gotcha. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me.
Faceless people complain about leopards. News at '11.
Muslims were a key swing vote in key swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin.
More importantly, the dems might have actually won if they had taken this opportunity to show that they were capable of listening to and learning from their constituents.
Trump demonstrated that he could grow and adapt from his previous term while the dems insisted on dictating terms and asserting that everything was fine without room for criticism or growth.
Improve and grow.
Listen and adapt.
Do better.
Extremely committed to being uncommitted.
They make a great point. But nobody here read the article.
The situation in Palestine is going to get worse under trump, but then things were also getting worse while under Biden too. There is no winning for Palestinians because the plan is for Israel to take over the entire area. Policy over partisanship, as AIPAC puts it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKmWa8p4UM
Glad to see they’re sticking to their guns. Make sure the libs understand that we’ll do it again if they don’t give in to the demands.
Go right ahead, not like there will be much to fight over after Trump turns Gaza into a Israeli resort town.
I’m rooting for you!
The area was levelled under Biden. There would be zero restraint either way. The limiting factors are the groups actually fighting against the genocidal American Empire and its pet rabid dog.
You keep thinking that, good luck and enjoy watching what will unfold.
enjoy watching what will unfold.
You people are truly sick.
You make choices, you live with the consequences. It’s as simple as that.
You agree that Trump is the lesser of two evils then there’s nothing to say at this point but you must live with the consequences of those actions.
That’s life, that’s reality, that’s consequences.
What a nice little rationalization you have for not regarding them as human.
Has there ever been a people more arrogant than your kind? When you look through the past, you see all these cases of genocide, not one of them justified, and you think, “Ah, but they were all stupid. I’m so smart that when I support it, it’s the only rational, objectively correct decision.” It doesn’t even give you a moment of pause. You don’t even have the decency to speak about it with the gravity it deserves. You gleefully watch people die because it gives you the satisfaction of believing in your own rightness and superiority over the fools who actually give a damn. Meanwhile, you are so shortsighted and unimaginative that you think the laws imposed by our mortal rulers are as rigid and unchangable as natural law.
Honestly, the more I talk to people like you, the more I understand religious people. Much as I dislike religion, if it provides immunization against your way of thinking, perhaps it’s worth it! Is there any way of thinking that’s worse than yours?
What a utterly stupid comment.
The fact that you have so little understanding that people can hold more than one opinion and rationale and seriously think that simple pointing out that Arab Americans that endorsed Trump must now live with the consequences and conflating that with that must mean holding that opinion means you’re jumping for joy that Trump is advocating for the displacement of Palestinians from Gaza.
May you love in the interesting times your brought upon us all.
You’re the one enabling nazis bro. Wake the fuck up
I least I’m not actively voting for them like y’all are.
To everyone calling them stupid. What exactly should they have done in this situation? What is the better solution when your only options are death or a faster death?
Im genuinely asking
your only options are death or a faster death?
- It’s a binary choice
- One’s less bad
- Do math
If you need to hold your nose to make the choice to prevent a worse alternative, then you hold your nose and make the choice that prevents a worse alternative.
No one said it’s an easy choice. But it’s a simple choice. Don’t confuse Easy with Simple because it’s a hard, hard binary choice.
And this was explained, so, so so, so-so, so many times.
My takeaway from this whole thing is that people are fucking spoiled rotten. As you said, twas a simple choice.
So to paraphrase: “I don’t oppose ethnic cleansing in principle, only degree”
Kamala Harris was an evil MF for bankrolling Israels genocidal campaign. They could have changed their stance on Israel/Palestine, and they had abundant opportunities and warnings to do so, but no.
Vote blue and send huge amounts of letters and phone calls to your Congress people telling them to stop supporting this. Run new candidates under the Democratic party that push them further left.
Sounds impossible? Yes. People were force fed propaganda and gave up this election, because its a hard choice. There is no easy route. Its either revolution or try to change a party to something better. There is no option 3.
People told the centrists, I told my friends for fucks sake. I know someone who stayed home saying their vote didn’t matter and both sides are evil. I told them that is a vote for Trump.
They were right. Their vote didn’t matter because trump won by a landslide in our state. But what if they, and thousands of their compatriots, weren’t force fed propaganda on Facebook and TV?
The republicans won because of coordinated attacks that presented centrists with multiple trolley problems. I held out hope until the end, but I should have known what was going to happen when some reasonably intelligent people fell for it.
So RIP to potentially competitive down ballot races that their liberal vote could have helped. Judges, city council, prosecutors, etc
Slower death with the ability to continue advocacy and refugee work.
Slower death means more people escape while peace talks occur. More people will die now, at an increased rate.
Rather than Israel getting some, insufficient but existing friction, they now have completely free reign
