“What’s funny about that is they assume my ambition is positional. They assume my ambition is a title or a seat. My ambition is way bigger than that. My ambition is to change this country. Presidents come and go, elected officials come and go, single payer healthcare is forever.”
I’d vote for her. I’d also vote for Bernie again, if he ran again. I don’t care about his age, all that would matter is he got into office, and established a cabinet, and had a good Vice President to take over.
Bernie is 84 years old.
I am a huge fan of Bernie. Have been for over a decade. He is too old to be the president.
He’s also incredibly sharp for 84…but he’s 84…
He’ll be 86 at the next election.
As president you get way more stress, more travel, less sleep. He wouldn’t do well in the president’s office.
That’s the same thing everybody said last time and Bernie is in better physical, mental, and psychological condition than Trump.
Of course, and because of that he would never win an election, because people won’t vote for him because “he’s too old”. Like I said, I don’t care about his age, or that he would likely die in office, perhaps even in the first year. I’d still vote for him, because I agree with him, and I want his ideas in that office. That’s why he’d need a good V.P. I don’t understand why anyone would care how old he is, as long as they agree with him. Is it because he would probably die in office? Why does that matter?
I don’t care about Trump’s age per se, I do care that he’s got dementia. Bernie doesn’t have dementia.
Anyway, it’s a pipe dream, and I’ll happily vote for one of his protégés, too.
The point of Bernie or AOC or Zohran or any socialist candidate is the movement behind them, which represents the will of the masses. The actual figurehead is largely irrelevant because everything they do is in the interest of their constituents. They might use their charisma to win (but usually it’s the movement that actually wins the campaign), but once they’re in power they just have to fulfill their promises, and they have staff to do this.
A regular politician, by contrast, enacts the will of the corporate class. In this way they’re mostly irrelevant too.
Bernie or AOC or Zohran
Or Kat Abughazaleh. If you don’t know her yet, you should look her up.
I like her, I hope she does well in the future, but she did lose her primary
Bernie for president and AOC for vice president? That’d be something.
IF he died in office, the position likely would be taken good care of
What if we had a candidate that is not on his 80s, maybe?
This “Bernie” mentality elected Trump twice already.
More importantly, he’s too old, and not aggressive enough, to win. We need someone that knows how to build and run a political machine, that can seize control of the party and purge the old guard. A true populist that can play a crowd. Bernie unfortunately lacks the killer instinct to overcome the establishment.
I’d door-knock for her.
Sheesh, and I haven’t canvased for a candidate in almost 20 years.
I canvassed for Bernie. It was a good experience. And he won the state.
I phone banked for her in her 2018 campaign.
UAW Boss Sean Fein would be a good candidate.
Well they need to get out and start doing media now. Regardless, a successful candidate is going to have to out in hundreds of hours in front of cameras and developing a level of comfort and ease of answering questions that only comes with practice and putting in the hours. It’s also one of my biggest critiques of AOC. She also hasn’t/isn’t putting in the reps in terms of media cycles. When they do, it’s very controlled and brief.
You are a fascist.
Explain how.
Explaim how you complain to management to get your critiics cancelled? You gave your hand away.
What did you get banned for being a gif hating loser in the other thread? I would never report you for being that kind of a loser; it’s far more fun to just mock you relentlessly when you have a psychological moment like that. Which was truly fun and brightened my day, so I do want to say thanks and I appreciate your participation. It was probably some one who agreed with me on how silly you were being that reported you. I would never do that, it’s far more entertaining to have you staying in the game.
For your participation yesterday, I sincerely appreciate it:
Now, into the comment at hand…
You can be and should be a critic of me but you should also have the charity to take my arguments on their face. I think AOC is mid among current progressives and I’ve outlined why several times in this thread. I can reiterate those points if you like and we can take it from there.
ha ha, you are pathetic.
I love Bernie, but he’s terrible at choosing staff. I don’t want him as president because I think he’d lose the war after winning the battle of gaining the presidency. Now if my choices were orange shit stain or Bernie, I’d be pulling out all my Bernie merch, but he’s not ideal.
Jesus, the Tad Devine hire alone was a disqualification for me.
She has work to do, because if she ran right now, she’d get eaten alive.
Notice that AOC doesn’t do very many hard interviews, and that when she gets a question asked of her that she isn’t prepared for, she stumbles.
AOC has been basically absent from leftwing media while plenty of other very solid progressives are out there putting in reps doing hard interviews in combative environments. AOC doesn’t do that and is only does very controlled media opportunities. That’s not good for someone who wants to be president. I don’t think she’s done the time like others have to be able to weather a primary.
That’s my girl.
I 100% get not committing to run right now, it would be stupid to do so.
“In this op-ed that Bezos paid for in The Washington Post, there was a veiled threat — it was the elite saying if you want this job, you just stepped out of line,” said Ocasio-Cortez. “What’s funny about that is they assume my ambition is positional. They assume my ambition is a title or a seat. My ambition is way bigger than that. My ambition is to change this country. Presidents come and go, elected officials come and go, single payer healthcare is forever.”
But I sure as fuck hope she realizes becoming president is our best shot at that.
Shed drive down ballot races like Obama did, but isn’t as cocky and obsessed with personal power to ignore the DNC after winning like Obama did. Shed name a progressive chair.
Bringing in a wave of progressives and putting the party firmly on the progressive side of the divide is absolutely the biggest thing she (or anyone) can do to get us single payer healthcare.
So like I said, hopefully she’s planning to run, just smart enough to not say it yet.
So like I said, hopefully she’s planning to run, just smart enough to not say it yet.
Being a Representative, she’s got an entire other election to win between now and the next Presidential election anyway.
Announcing that she plans to go for President (and would therefore be leaving the House) might attract primary challengers.
This headline makes me want to kick someone’s trashcan.
Man, AOC vs Trump 2024 would have been soooo epic.
Even if she lost, still better to put a good foot forward than what they ended up doing
I’m not an american, but from my perspective you only had two decent candidates in the last election on the Democrat side: Gavin and AOC. Not sure how Gavin stands now, but AOC seems great. Kamala was a disaster then, will be a disaster again.
If you didn’t, watch her (AOC) speak at Munich security conference. She is a great speaker: smart, eloquent and logical. I don’t see her as direct as Carney, she is more careful with words. But I wouldn’t want to be in her position if she wins: she will have sooo much crap to clean up after current disaster…
Carney is also an amazing speaker. I don’t know his internal politics and what it means for Canada, but foreign policy, communication and speeches give an impression of a decent leader. Very direct statements, no ambiguities or guessing. I was really surprised to hear a politician speak this way. European leaders are usually softer in their statements, leaving the doors open, especially when it comes to relations with the USA. Carney flat out said that the USA is unreliable.
two decent candidates in the last election on the Democrat side: Gavin
decent candidate
Gavin Newsom
things changed since then?
I don’t follow him that much since that Twitter circus with trump
Gavin is a transphobe piece of shit.
Gavin Newsom is not honest about his positions.
he seemed as an decent candidate then…
I stopped following news about him when he had that Twitter episode with trump
While Carney did say those things he also still bows to the USA in some areas. His speech was tougher than his actions. Still, I think he’s the guy Canada needs at the moment. He seems like a larger picture thinker, and a ton of financial knowledge.
I’d vote for John Stewart if I was American. Look up how he supported the 911 firemen. He is the right mix of popular to be a viable candidate and obviously principled enough to be a second Obama.
Jon Stewart pushed hard for ~$10 billion for roughly 90,000 9/11 responders/survivors - about $110,000 per person.
Using that same math for all 330 million Americans, - that’d be roughly $36 trillion (more than entire GDP).I dunno - something about that deal is, - feels a bit populist.
I support universal healthcare. That’s exactly why this bothers me. America refuses to build a rational universal system, but will absolutely create gold-plated exception systems for emotionally untouchable groups because the politics are driven by symbolism and emotion instead of coherent policy.
It should be noted that those people had significant health risks, far beyond the average American. This is basically masonry, likely including asbestos, where the survivors had no capacity for ppe, and many responders forwent it pursuing immediate life saving over waiting to try to get ppe that wasn’t readily available.
This is best thought of as disaster relief in the form of healthcare.
Jon Stewart was pretty positive on Trump bombing Iran. He is not the guy.
Lol, no he wasn’t.
Source: See any of his shows.
Yeah…you’d have to be pretty dense to think that’s him condoning the war on Iran. He makes jokes about every leader. Just because you took offense to them doesn’t mean he’s supporting the war.
Bullshit.
Where did you see that?
Daily show made some jokes about it, and I have heard people alternatively claim that he is either pro Trump or pro Iran. People just looking for an excuse to hate Jon I guess
That’s kinda what I figured. Anyone claiming he’s pro trump either hasn’t seen him talk about anything or is severely misunderstanding his sarcasm and/or satire.
I suspect that the more strident you are politically, the less likely it is that you can understand satire and nuance.
Right, they are taking everything as a flat statement devoid of all other context. You can make damn near anything sound bad if you do that.
They are misunderstanding what they linked so hard though that it’s absolutely someone purposely mischaracterizing the entire material to push an agenda.
I see you sending this to more than just me. Seeing this and your other posts, you’ve got an agenda of some kind. Stewart doesn’t condone the invasion at all in this, in fact he criticizes it.
Im pretty sure that is a “no, not this time” answer.
I think she knows where she can do the most good, and survive to do the most good.
I like AOC but i dont think she is ready for the international political scene. I think she knows it as well. Domestic issues need her more, which happens in Congress.
And Jon Stewart, well i like him too but … another celebrity/actor president? Really?
Jon Stewart would be better than another establishment Democrat.
We do not need another TV personality who picks low hanging fruit in politics.
Stop promoting celebrities for high office
Establishment Democrats like OBAMA and BIDEN led to Trump. I’ll vote for Jon Stewart before I vote another Obama or Biden.
Presidency would actually kill him, I think
I think she’d be great because she would hire very smart people to advise her on her weak areas. “If you’re dumb, surround yourself with smart people. And if you’re smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you.” She’s smart, and she knows a lot of smart people.
I mean, when you have like the next 40 years to run, it’s not a hurry.
celebrity/actor isn’t the issue.
It’s the content of one’s character. Jon Stewart has already proven himself very aware of the political state and being able to bully Congress into submission on behalf of vets and first-responders.
So yes, this is not a non-starter in any way shape or form, if we know they’re intelligent, authentic, charismatic, and empathetic.
Im just saying the past 2 were Reagan and Trump.
So maybe the 3rd time will be the charmed one?
Reagan sure sold authentic, charismatic, and empathetic vibes to get elected. And he had the Bush family push.
Trump just sold intelligence (dont ask me how), charisma, and empathy to the dumbest and the bigoted. The wealthy and the supremists were already on board.
Jon may well have all 4 aspects down, but he is too close to the establishmemt democrats and the financial economy, imo.
Kinda wish we had a peanut farming, nuclear engineer that we could turn to.
But can we try two celebrity Democrats for a change before making up our minds?
The problem is more they were conservatives; less so their celebrity status. All Republican presidents sucked since Ike, celebrity or not.
I see the problem as the financial sector having the reigns of both parties national commitees.
And remember the DNC can just pick who they desire, no matter the primary process.
At least nobody is suggesting Oprah this time.
Stewart’s brother is/was COO of NYSE iirc. Not to shame anyone, just saying there is a connection there.
In the world of politics governed by nepotism greed and optics, I am absolutely positive that the political world is anything but speechless about this particular statement.
Something like 75% of American voters want universal health care, 90% of Democrat voters want it, and over 50% of Independents.
(these are approximations there are many polls pick your favorite)
Unfortunately, in the USA it’s “donations” that control legislation, cash is king. Our reps have two choices… do what Americans want (healthcare, higher wages and benefits, less bombs), or do what makes them and their entire family filthy rich.
It’s hard to resist the allure of money, they won’t give it up willingly. Landing leadership positions means millions of dollars a year, cushy political appointments (like your husband/wife landing an abassadorship to Bermuda), and other fantastic benefits, it’s blatant.
Whenever polls regarding universal healthcare are discussed, I always add that that if you want to gauge how popular universal healthcare is in the US, you need to subtract the over age 65 respondents (which leads to it polling even more favorably). Why? Because despite being the age demographic most opposed to universal healthcare, that is the one demographic that already has universal healthcare. And it’s not because they think Medicare is bad - on the contrary, Medicare is very popular among seniors. They love it. They just think they deserve universal healthcare while everyone else just wants to mooch off the system. So frankly I don’t care what they think about universal healthcare, actions speak louder than words.
Baby accounts in here chirping about Jon Stewart and AOC running for president after killing Reddit. Getting prepared for the primary. AstroTurf moving over here.
What do you mean?
Ah yes democrat stalwarts AOC and Jon Stewart /s
The absolute waste of money and time it would be to AstroTurf on Lemmy really just makes me more skeptical to every user crying “bot” than anything.
It’s not a surprise that people with fringe or more radical opinions exist on Lemmy, an alternative platform
thx for confirming it’s happening
I was here before you by two years so the bot masters must be way ahead of you.
They’re good at pissing away money so yeah
"And a waitress will lead them… "
Better her than Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio by miles. If we are picking teams, AOC all the way.
She is right it’s not the title important and right now Dems needs someone that would unify the party. Trump won not because he had much more votes than 2020, but because Harris had 6 million votes less than 2020
I am already seeing a lot of Dems saying again they will not vote by X or Y… MAGA is voting doesn’t matter what
So the party will need someone that unifies more the party… but it seems unlikely
Thanks, Raw Story, for the textbook clickbait. What a shit outlet.
It really is shitty clickbait, try going to the site without ublockorigin, just with adblock, there are moving advertisements all over, a deal breaker for me, and the article is like two sentences, last I checked. I usually skip any post with them as a source, didn’t realize it this time.
I already have an AOC 2028 shirt my maga fil got it for me, I’m not quite sure he expected me to like it as much as I do.
