• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldOP
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      This is the truth. It’s stupid culture war shit all the way down with these guys. Harmful stuff that will do nothing but help a few angry incels jerk off to “owning the libs”, but providing nothing of value to anyone in the country except for billionaires.

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    I would like to point out that Kegsbreath was not a Scout.

    Also, even if he was, how having girls in the Scouts affects him, personally, is a real mystery.

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    Hey Democrats, here’s how to spin it:

    “THEYRE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR THIN MINTS.”

    It doesn’t need to be accurate. Get on their level.

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      Girl scouts sell thin mints; Scouts (formerly BSA or Boy Scouts of America) doesn’t seem to have a unified strategy for fundraising. Cub scouts does popcorn.

      The cookies will remain regardless of Pedonald and Pete Hegseth’s culture war nonsense - unless they start going after Girl Scouts for allowing trans…

      But to your point, I guess - to the mushbrained types, the details don’t really matter. Most people don’t even know that girls are in Scouts or that BSA changed their name to Scouting America. They also don’t know that Girl Scouts are entirely separate…

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    Just going to comment here to avoid some misconceptions. Apologies for the long comment. Tl;Dr, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are not part of the same parent organization.

    Scouting America is basically a rebrand for Boy Scouts of America. The rebrand happened when they began to admit girls into the program, like 8 years ago or do. Many people get confused thinking that Boy Scouts of America and Girl Scouts USA are partner organizations when they are not. They are two independent programs with different missions and values. For example, Boy Scouts has maintained Declaration of Religious Principle which requires to members to sign an agreement that states that they believe in some sort of higher power. They also include a Duty to God in their Scout Oath. Girl Scouts on the other hand is a secular organization that does not require a belief in any higher power but does encourage members to explore their own faith if they have one.

    The decision for BSA to admit girls was a controversial one even within the organization, but their numbers have been flagging for a while and they felt that allowing girls in would help. There was also a more progressive wing within the organization that recognized how discriminatory this was and wanted to reform the organization. Joining Boy Scouts, with an organizational emphasis on nature, citizenship, and skill mastery, would be a different experience for girls than Girl Scouts, which allows troops to pick for themselves what they want to focus on to develop leadership and confidence and often doesn’t include camping at all. Many girls joined Girl Scouts expecting it to have the same focus as Boy Scouts, would be disappointed, and then drop out. This could give the Boy Scout experience to girls.

    In order to make this happen, it was agreed that girls would have separate troops from boys. They could share resources but each troop would have their own youth and adult leaders and would need to camp in separate sites. It is not like they are sharing tents or anything like that.

    So that’s why it is obvious to me that the Pentagon taking this stance is clearly regressive and just trying to be anti-woke and going after an easy target. The military is already coed, so why not give girls the same support and experiences that boys can have in Scouting? Its just another red flag that they want to prevent women from advancing in the military. They know that Scouting America is in a tough spot and thinks they can either get them to regress and tacitly endorse anti-wokeness or be made an example of.

    There’s another recent change in Scouting America that was also controversial and seen as woke that the article doesn’t address. Following the George Floyd protests Scouting America came up with a new merit badge that would be required for any scout that wanted to reach the rank of Eagle: Citizenship in Society. This badge explicitly discusses racial injustice and teaches Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion principles. As you can imagine, this did not sit well with conservative members and many left in protest (though many had already left when girls and gays were allowed). There have been a few different new organizations attempting to recapture the old school Boy Scout mentality with a doubled down emphasis on gender exclusivity, religion, and pure meritocracy without any regard to positions of privilege. They are growing and I suspect one will try to replace Scouting America as the youth organization of choice for the military.

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      The troop my boy is in made the decision to be boy only but the troop one town over is mixed and they all camp in the same site with both boys and girls. So they don’t have to be gender separate.

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        Correct. The Dens / Units inside the Troop need to be gendered and have separate adults according to the rules, but actual applications of the rules vary in my experience.

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        GS are just cookie dealers that sometimes go camping. Between my two kids each being one or both programs the GS spend 70% of their meetings and time together talking about and planning cookie sales. The Scouts go on twice as many camping trips and only fund raise around Christmas. But one kid whom is in the more camp group is in the richer areas troop meanwhile the GS is in the lower income area so they tend to just try to make money.

        My point in GS is for the kids you want to someday be in sales and the Scouts are for the kids who want to experience the outdoors.

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          Girl Scouts is much more troop driven than boy scouts. It kind of sounds like your girl’s troop leader just isn’t very motivated.

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    I guess they are arguing the Scouts arent educational or work. As both work and education have laws banning discrimination based on sex if they receive federal funding.

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      Fascists don’t make a case. They just use force. In their view, argument and reason are for the weak, and the weak should not live.

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        To the public that’s true, but in court they send some poor sucker out to argue the dumbest spaghetti on the wall points ever only to be consistently admonished for saying things that imply they have no clue what the law is.

        Lots of the point is in the public though, they quietly lose constantly, and to the extent the court proceedings matter it’s akin to SLAPP suits.