• Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
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    11 hours ago

    Its frustrating that they only throw the blame at Trump and “MAGA world” when every single Republican voted for this ridiculous ICE budget.

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    The silence from the Democratic leadership is deafening. Yes there are a few non-progressives that have gone rogue, but for the most part it has been all’s quiet in the chickenshit front.

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      Americans will whine “but what about the democrats?!?” all the way down the road to fascism.

      Y’all didn’t vote for them, there’s nothing they can do. How about blame the fascism on on the fascists doing it?

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      They’re not chickenshit. They want this. The wealthy need the military in the streets to stop populist uprisings.

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      Once Americans realize that both Democrats and Republicans are controlled by the same puppet master, then we can see change.

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    Just a reminder that the defense attorney, for the soldiers that gunned down the people during the Boston massacre, was none other than future president John Adams.

    He successfully argued they were in fear for their lives.

    American leaders have NEVER cared about the masses of people. It has always and will always defend and justify the actions of state violence as long as it benefits them to do so. The American revolution was very much just a transfer of power from the Royal British to the rich ruling class in the American colonies. And it has remained that way to this day.

    What is happening now is nothing more than the ruling class resorting to fascist acts, once again, on its own population to maintain that power.

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      Just a reminder that the defense attorney, for the soldiers that gunned down the people during the Boston massacre, was none other than future president John Adams.

      At the time, they were not advocating for independence, just more autonomy. Giving a fair trial and good representation in that trial was a way to demonstrate that the colonies could provide fair justice without England’s intervention. This is why they were so pissed off when the “Impartial Administration of Justice” Act passed.

      He successfully argued they were in fear for their lives.

      Which was probably fair in this case. The protesters at the “massacre” were throwing rocks at the soldiers. There was reasonable confusion in the moment.

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    19 hours ago

    Are we ready for Lexington and Concord? Because anyone who’s still clinging to the hope peaceful protesting will hold off martial law all the way to the election in November is about to get their fingers stomped on by ICE

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      There’s an alternative…

      It’s super easy, would require zero bloodshed.

      Armed protest.

      I’ve never seen a cop shoot a protester when other protestors were in eyeshot with rifles.

      I’ve never even seen ICE where a protestor is visibly armed, because if they see that, they fucking leave.

      The reason shit is so bad is because ICE knows they’ll never be held accountable in court. Literally the only way they believe they could ever face any consequences is if someone shoots them in the moment. And rather than behave when they see armed protestors, they just go to where no one is armed.

      So fuck it, this Merica. Carry a big scary fuck off rifle.

      I guarantee ICE won’t run up on you. And if everywhere they went people showed up with rifles, they’d stop going places all together.

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        I think the opposite - in normal times I wouldn’t think cops would fire on armed protesters, but let’s face it - that’s ICE’s endgame. They’d love nothing more to claim “fear” and unleash the beast.

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          If that was true, then why is it so hard to find a picture/video of ice with a single visibly armed protester in view?

          Like, by your logic they’d be looking for it, yet I’ve been trying and failing to find an example of them just existing with 100 yards of an armed protestor…

          And I can’t understand why people are shocked ICE agents shit and run when they see a gun.

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      And there will still be people saying not to resist or they’ll declare martial law.

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        ICE escalates

        “Don’t respond with violence or they’ll escalate!”

        ICE escalates regardless

        rinse and repeat.

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      Sooner than that, we’re already familiar with unchecked police brutality, anti-protest tactics, corruption of accountability systems. Normalizing happens pretty damn fast when people already expect the behavior.

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    They will escalate their violence in relationship to the nature of the resistance. Their only solution to opposition is some form of violence, so expect it. If they get swarmed by large groups, they will absolutely open fire on crowds. To reduce the damage of this predictable behavior, always leave them a means of escape, a golden bridge to retreat over. If you block them in, they are far more likely to panic and go apeshit on their perceived threats without any regard for anyone or anything but themselves, and will do so with whatever hardwear and equipment they have.

    They will then learn from it, request more tools to address the risks, get it from this admin, and then the next altercation will be more violent from the start. It’s an arms race between ICE and the public and ICE will eventually win. Fighting them outside these altercations must be done to be effective. Fight them anywhere that violence as a solution is not possible, best where their use of violent solutions actually hurts them, that is where they are weakest, most vulnerable. Like people disowning them, ending their relationships, refusing every interpersonal encounter.