Economic concerns and growing disenchantment with both parties is draining support for Trump among Gen Z young men, a key bloc of support during the 2024 election
Male Gen Z voters are breaking with Donald Trump and the Republican party at large, recent polls show, less than a year after this same cohort defied convention and made a surprise shift right, helping Trump win the 2024 election.
Taken with wider polling suggesting Democrats will lead in the midterms, the findings on young men spell serious trouble for the Republican Party in 2026.
Younger Gen Z men, those born between 2002 and 2007, may be even more anti-Trump, according to October research from YouGov and the Young Men’s Research Project, a potential sign that their time living through the social upheavals of the Covid pandemic and not being political aware during the first Trump administration may be shaping their experience.
As a Gen Z American Citizen, I was NEVER ever maga
And I’m proud to say that I’ve never been fooled, not even once.
It’s amazing to me to see how gen z acted after the neo-liberal boomers destroyed the economy and shit all over millenials. Millenials were blamed for everything. I’d have thought gen z would have gone hard left after seeing how their siblings and even in some cases parents were treated, but instead they were easily manipulated by russia and 4/8chan into stupidity. Instead we got gen z who was already fucked over by trump once to vote for him.
Every generation learns too late that old white men are not their friends and don’t have their best interests at heart. Only with gen z it mattered more than ever in history and they blew it.
The atomization of our perspectives is what allowed the cancer to metastasize.
Most people don’t browse forums, most people don’t read news stories, most people don’t fact-check or watch debates or listen to pundits talk for more than 3 minutes.
This should normally lead to rapidly shifting political landscapes, but we’re all being a carefully cultivated feed of validating and self-affirming information that makes people feel a lack of involvement and urgency. You see it right here on Lemmy, people are reposting all the pandering news site bullshit every day “Trump and MAGA is collapsing!” “Trump HUMILIATED by latest release!” “GOP is crashing and people are fleeing the sinking ship!”
For every headline like that you read, people who lean right are seeing the exact opposite. And since we’ve all isolated ourselves from social connection, we don’t see how atomized our worlds are, we just assume everyone is seeing the same headlines and it makes us complacent.
and the rub is to understand this… you’d have to have your foot in both feeds. which is difficult to do unless you do so deliberately. which 99.9% of people aren’t ever going to do.
any if you are not part of the bias-confirming group, you will be harassed, reported, and banned. people don’t want to hear narratives outside of the ones they have already chose as ‘truth’.
just the fact that i go and check the headlines of Fox news, for example, would makes me an awful human being corrupted by evil, according to the lefties. You can only be truly left if you remain ‘pure’ and live in your bubble and never interact with someone outside of it.
Not sure I can ever trust them. Seems like their brains are made of Swiss cheese.
Not for any altruistic reasons, probably because no woman will touch them once they find out they’re a mysogynistic rapist-supporting bigot…
MAGA_IRL
Best comment in post.
Reeeee were left America steer into cOmUnISm…
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You could edit this very lightly and actually distribute it in conservative spaces and people would connect with it.
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“Why yes, I think the tax money I pay should go towards social safety nets in case I or my grandma gets sick and can’t work.”
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“Why yes, I don’t think getting sick should make me have to close down my business and sell my house to CHINA.”
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“Why yes, I think people should just enjoy whatever they wanna do with each other in the privacy of their own homes, I don’t need government shoving it down my throat every day or making LAWS about what people do with their genitals.”
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“Why yes, I also think adults should be able to drink or smoke what they want, lets tax it and use that money for better border security!”
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"Why yes, I am sick of rich fucks deciding what I can and can’t do, I value my FREEDOM and no one person should have so much money that they can decide MY future. Tax them and put that money towards [insert right-wing fear thing here.]
Then end it with. “That’s all I want as a FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN, so why are so many people trying to make this an argument? Why are rich people trying to make the things we agree on into politics? KEEP POLITICS OUT OF MY FREEDOM”
Yes it’s kinda dumb, but I think I’m actually going to make the thing and distribute it.
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I don’t get it. Did Biden support those? Are we talking American right wing or European right wing?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
It’s just the nature of the population who will flock towards an authoritarian, they’re not making rational, thought-out choices, they’re JUST following a narrative of feelings. It could flip 180-degrees the next day and they will go with that new storyline if it validates their anger or frustration or just the need to follow a soap-opera of pundits and angry shouting people on TV.
No one recruits for the right like the people in these comments do.
Edit: if you are going to down vote me at least explain why telling them to fuck off is a better strategy then capitalizing on this and bringing them into the fold.
Edit: if you are going to down vote me at least explain why
I downvote for spelling; but not for the missing hyphen.
No one recruits for the right like the people in these comments do.
And this is a bad generalization.
My sister (F 22) voted for Trump over taxes, Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants. She is 1st gen, born of 2 immigrants who also voted for Trump. Every time I present new evidence of how bad Trump is, she pulls ChatGPT and “debunks my lies” with nicely crafted confirmation bias prompts. If you all know how to get through to GenZers, I am listening.
Any 22 year old who’s upset about taxes is very very clearly being manipulated
Considering the lack of value we’re getting in return for these taxes, nah I’m pretty sure everybody should be upset about taxes. Other, better countries may pay more in taxes, but after accounting for the healthcare and worker rights that the taxes get them, they end up with more time and more money than most Americans.
I met a local politician who, in my red area, just seemed like he was dancing around labeling himself a Democrat. The office was for basically money management in the area, and he was talking about optimizing the use of tax funds. I made it clear that I don’t really mind paying this tax rate, and I would even pay more, but only if it starts getting used on shit that matters like building another school because ours are getting overcrowded, and the area is growing whether we prepare or not. I said that even if I only cared about my own finances, that’s an investment that supports growth which would raise my property value, and it would attract new businesses to serve that growing population. Just plan for it so that it doesn’t grow out of control and become a shit hole with stupid intersection infrastructure and urban sprawl.
We need to stop electing Republicans - the people who siphon away and steal our tax dollars
have the AI cite it sources for the claims it makes, and read through those sources. ask the AI what information it used in the source to come up with its statement.
using chatGPT in this way is like how I used Wikipedia growing up: just pull up an article on something, check out what citations an article had, and walk it backwards from there
Does the paid chat gpt actually cite?
The free one (which most people are using), when asked how much an aircraft carrier costs just links to the main page of CNBC and the department of defense.
I further prompted and it gave me 404s
It does a mix of hallucination and self-correction once you tell it to search the web to actually find out current information. And even then, you don’t have a good chance of having truly accurate information. It really does take work.
not sure if only the paid gpt actually cites, but anyone thats trying to show someone else how inefficient LLMs are with data should be able to come to the conclusion the output is untrustworthy if you’re getting 404 errors after asking to cite, in my opinion
The problem is it “cites” things by inserting obscured hyperlinks that people see and never click but assume there is a “source”
I guess we found the answer to how the original person i was replying to can validate anything thats generated by an LLM: looking up sources that an LLM claims to use
You can’t help morons unfortunately.
My father is Gen 1 of immigrant parents. His parents HATED Trump. Yet he voted for Trump all three times.
I have a GenZ sister-in-law that uses ChatGPT for relationship advice. Like copies and pastes responses from men into ChatGPT and asks what they’re “really saying” or “what their intentions are”, instead of you know, JUST ASKING THE PERSON OUTRIGHT.
We’re fucked
Ask her to read the links from her ChatGPT queries with you. Do it together. Show her how ChatGPT is confidently and convincingly lying to her. And each time she comes back with another result from a biased prompt, do it again. Eventually she’ll at least stop trying to convince you that ChatGPT knows all, out of embarrassment.
tell your sister that she’s a fucking dumbass for thinking a chatbot is a source, tell her that all a chatbot does is aggregate data on the internet, and that if she doesn’t smarten the fuck up then she’s going to be a failed unhappy outcast in life that is hated by successful people and shunned by her family
if she doesn’t smarten the fuck up then she’s going to be a failed unhappy outcast in life that is hated by successful people and shunned by her family
Shit, I’m already all these things. I wonder what would happen if I used AI.
What does she actually know about?
Doesn’t matter what it is, literally any topic that she knows about, even if it’s the Kardashians.
One day ask her a question about it, then ask whatever chatbot she trusts, if they’re not the same, tell her she’s wrong and if she doesn’t believe you to ask her AI.
A big reason people think AI is smart, is they never ask it about something they know.
That sounds basic, but it means they never notice when any of their questions get a wrong answer.
Getting them to ask it about topics they know about, means they get to see how it can fail, and how a small initial error it makes can be extrapolated to the point everything else is bullshit.
Once they learn it’s not always right, they’re less likely to blindly trust it. That leads to them double checking some things, seeing it’s bullshitting more, and then double checking it more.
You need to replace the AI feedback loop with the rage loop. It ain’t hard to get a conservative there, get them to the point they’re asking chatbots questions they already know the answer too, just to see it get it wrong.
Ethics aside, if we don’t manipulate the idiots, someone else is going to do it.
Best one I’ve found recently was the top article on DDG search for “peacock mantis shrimp cleanup crew”.
The Peacock Mantis Shrimp is a valued clean‑up‑crew addition sold in‑store here in Columbus, Ohio. It acts as a scavenger and algae picker, keeps substrate clean, helping reduce maintenance and improve water quality. Stock 1–2 per 5 gal in a balanced reef or fish‑only system for best results. Difficulty: Easy. Offer varied empty shells. Drip‑acclimate and maintain stable salinity for long‑term health.
There are so many problems with this but I’ll start with the one that made me search for a cleanup crew for a mantis shrimp:
- they are aggressive and deadly to just about anything other than some damselfish
- minimun tank size is 20 gallons, putting one in a 5 gallon would be terrible for everyone and stoclong 1-2 per 5 gallons would be a bloodbath
- they are not scavengers or detrivores and do not eat algae
- they do not clean the substrate other than to kick it all over the place when making a burrow
Have you considered debunking her with nicely crafted confirmation bias prompts. It could also show her that chatGPT can be wrong?
You have two choices:
Put her down or call ICE.
The former is more humane, but the latter would be a lot funnier.
But seriously, I would just disconnect, or at most, I would ask her to have the chatbot provides sources and then ask her to pull them up.
If her learning that it’s making up sources doesn’t get through to her, I wouldn’t try anymore. Just accept that she’s either going to have to come through it on her own, or she’ll just progressively get worse and worse, and you’ll have to decide if you want to stick around for that, I wouldn’t.
Call ICE on her.
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It’s still crazy how many people want to write them off as lost causes already.
Those little idiots are going to be voting for decades, it’s insane to stop trying to bring them around.
I genuinely can’t fathom how folks mad at gen Z voters don’t understand that their anger toward gen Z voters was equally manufactured as those gen Z voters support for Trump was.
How fucking stupid.
Meh.
I 100% get being mad at really any random voting demographic.
Like, pick a group. I got a bone to pick with them.
My issue is people who fall for the oligarchs propaganda that want us to fight along their carefully manufactured battle lines instead uniting against the oligarchs like we need to.
It’s why I’m such a broken record about wealth inequality. It’s the one thing that resonates with over 99% of Americans, it’s the obvious choice to use to unite the people against the oligarchs, and why they constantly have to manufacture other shit.
We solve that, and no one’s pushing all the other shit as distractions, so it solves most of our issues at once.
4 years under a progressive with support of the House and Senate and we wouldn’t even recognize America, and I mean that in a good way.
And if you don’t 100% get why fascism is here, revisit what you responded to I guess.
Anti-Trump doesn’t mean pro-democrat.
Good, we hate the establishment Dems too. Last thing we need is people flocking to the dems before the midterms, we need to empty that jug out and fill it with new people.
Lol until they find the next bandwagon to hop on that happens to hurt and kill other people.
Uhm, no thanks. MAGA are too stupid to become liberals. They don’t deserve forgiveness for what they’ve done to the country.
You are doing even more damage
