Younger men threw their support behind Donald Trump in 2024 after favoring Biden in 2020
The United States is still not ready for a female president after more than a century of unsuccessful campaigns for the White House, according to former First Lady Michelle Obama.
“As we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain’t ready,” Obama said earlier this month in a live conversation with actor Tracee Ellis Ross that was published Friday.
“That’s why I’m like, don’t even look at me about running, because you all are lying,” she said. “You’re not ready for a woman. You are not. So don’t waste my time.”
I agree Michelle shouldn’t run. I’d argue, though, that we’re ready for a woman leader, but we need one presented without a bunch of past baggage (Hillary) or a party agenda (Kamala and arguably Hillary, too) and with their own ideas and not what the think tank says will win.
I’d say it’s pretty hard for a woman to both have enough experience to be taken seriously as a candidate and simultaneously have no past baggage or party agenda.
And I don’t think most male candidates are held to that standard, either.
The misogyny is palpable. In the country as a whole.
Not true. Clinton won the popular vote
I want to vote for a woman, but not a Zionist with plans for lots of tax rebates
I didn’t vote for Biden, I didn’t vote for Clinton, I didn’t vote for Harris, and I didn’t vote for Obama (but I did caucus for him because public option)
People laugh but I 100% believe AOC would win.
I’d like to see her win; just not sure it’ll happen.
AOC
Any woman who runs will be running with the baggage of feminist politics. This is not the right time for it.
I disagree. I just think what I want is a candidate that has a coherent policy and their campaign to be elected isn’t solely/majority “but I could be the first female president” slop. Hillary and Kamala could have been great presidents, but when the selling point is “I’m a woman” and not much else, that’s not going to resonate with enough people to win an election.
That’s what you want. And if Lemmy elected the president, I seriously believe the country would be a better place. But it doesn’t, so what you or I want doesn’t really matter that much. What matters is what the stodgy moderate majority wants, and a large portion of them are subtly guided by subconscious bias.
We just don’t want neoliberals running. We’re done with that. Everyone is. I hope AOC runs.
They said that about a black president. So. No. I don’t agree. AOC is very popular.
They said that about a black president. So. No. I don’t agree.
WTF…US Right wing went insane over Obama, now we have SS squads patroling the streets for people of color.
So he didn’t get elected like they said he wouldn’t?
Obama also hadn’t been nationally mocked, caricaturized, and vilified from the beginning of his political career. I’m far from a political historian, but I can’t think of any domestic political figure who has been so frequently and intensely criticized as AOC.
I could maybe see it with a decisive blue wave in 2026, but then only if it fuels like another one in 2028. That said, a lot of things can happen between now and then, morning is impossible.
Who criticizing AOC? What’s to criticize?
Uh, basically the entire right and a good chunk of the center
I’m not saying their criticisms are justified, it’s all a bunch of vapid shit and straight up lies. She’s too young, she’s too sassy, she was a bartender, she’s a communist, whatever. None of it matters, even when what they’re saying isn’t just made up. But it’s out there, a lot. I’m actually kind of jealous of you for not being exposed to enough right wing sentiment to have experienced it.
Look, I love the theory kiddies for the scholarship and devotion. But you have to spend at least a little time considering sociology and rhetoric, learning how the average person actually responds to stimuli.
The bourgeoisie owns the media. The majority of the proletariat mostly consume corporate media. If I could make a genie wish that everyone woke up tomorrow with perfect rational faculties, to educate themselves and act in their own best interests, we could have a bloodless revolution by next week.
But I don’t have a magic lamp, and the average voter is going to wake up tomorrow the way they woke up today: highly susceptible to propaganda.
So as baseless as the criticisms are, they are ubiquitous. Search any right wing, or “centrist”, media source for “AOC” and you’ll find hundreds of insults and mischaracterizations. I really would not be surprised at all if she is the most criticized political figure (excepting presidents) of this generation.
That’s why I think a VP position for a relatively bland, but roughly progressive, old white candidate would be a great opportunity to offset all that vitriol.
Mamdani won despite all that. The people are ready for an unbought president.
Mamdani won in quite possibly the most left wing office in the nation. Good for him, good for them, and I hope it spreads.
Maybe it does by 2027ish, that would be really cool. That would be a radically different political landscape and my strategic opinion would change.
But in general I find that it’s usually most accurate to assume things will roughly remain the same. So while I’m optimistic that the landscape might change, I would still prefer to focus my strategy on assuming that it doesn’t.
If the tides start turning with some volume, it’s easy to pivot. But I’d rather be overprepared than naïve.
Well I can mostly agree with the idea that things kind of stay the same regardless.
But I think that is over now. Because of the extreme situation that trump has caused, people will not be content just to go back to how it was a year ago.
A breaking point has occurred.
The kidnappings. The genocide. Healthcare. Food stamps. The economy. Tariffs. Cost of everything. Rent and housing costs being so high. Union busting.
The big corps got too greedy.
They could have kept us mostly happy and we wouldn’t have made much of a fuss.
They could have drained us slow. Like they have been. AnD we wouldn’t have made much fuss.
But now they have taken everything left. In one fell swoop. And people are pissed.
Maybe. Maybe not. You’d be surprised how much inertia the general population has.
Like I don’t deny that there is some shifting of sentiment, but we’ve had sentiment shifts before. I think you may be overestimating the extent of that shift. People are mostly oblivious.
AOC is very popular.
Among liberals.
She won’t win a national election. Too many Americans don’t like her.
Liberals are the majority. .so.
AOC is popular only in the northeast USA, like the others. She also politically untested. I agree with Michelle.
…Politically untested? The fuck? Where have you been?
Besides, it’s not like the people are being elected are either tested or passed their tests by a reasonable amount anyway. It’s a weak excuse when it only seems to apply sometimes, just like everyone who said Bernie was too old a decade ago but who voted for Trump even though his mind was already fading then and was halfway gone this time around.
Politically untested?
I’m old enough to remember when MEN running for US president were always famous politicians on the national level before ascending to the presidency. They wrote books, had famous legislation presented and passed in their name, were nationally noisy and nationally well known. AOC is mostly a northeastern US political celebrity. She has not been tested under political pressure that would threaten her safe candidacy.
God, you’re such a little baby. In the 1980s the US let Ronald Raegan kick the entire country in the crotch and he was just a shit actor with shit for brains. Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected the governor of California over two decades ago and he’s not the worst but he was hardly a politician of any renown. You’re either doing this on purpose or are genuinely this stupid and both are a level of utterly pathetic that I’m surprised you can be remotely happy with yourself for even a single minute of the day.
Take your worthless, unfounded, hypocritical, and massively sexist opinion and shove it way the hell up your ass.
The fuck?
She is a representative from one of the NY district. That’s quite a unique situation, most of America isn’t like that. AOC is an amazing, smart, young woman politician, with great ideas. This combained with her nationality, means more than half of the country hates her with passion.
Bernie
Bernie situation is exactly like that. He is too old, and people who would be voting for him if he was younger, wouldn’t. However people who voted for trump would vote for a wet pile of rags if they affirmed their prejudices. That’s a fundamental struggle of the american broadly speaking “left”, you need to be a platonic ideal of a best person ever to even be eligible, and you will still lose to a platonic ideal of evil seven times out of ten.That’s seriously your response? That she’s from NY and that means she can’t possibly understand how anything else works? That dogshit country elected Donald Trump, a dude with the opposite of qualifications who also came from New York and who lives in a huge mansion/villa. AOC has actually had a real job. She’s had to work late shifts, she’s had unreliable income. The country might not look like New York City but it’s full of people who she understands and respects.
Take your goofy opinion and take a hike.
“Oh yeah? If you think America will not vote for a young smart left leaning woman with credentials, then why did America elected an old stupid right wing white criminal man twice?”.
Buddy, do you, like, have problems with all this “if a then b” stuff? Logic and all?You’re trying to say that the reason she won’t be elected is [reason X] and I’m saying that despite [reason X] the US still elected Trump. Your argument is bad because you’ve already been proven wrong, and given the history of US politics you’ve been proven wrong hundreds of times.
Your low level of literacy is not a problem with me.
AOC is an amazing, smart, young woman politician, with great ideas
So let her run for Prime Minister of Canada. USA loves them pale, male and stale.
Popular in the SW too
And NW
And Midwest. She’s very popular here in Illinois.
The problem with H. Clinton and Harris were that they were annointed. If a woman candidate was brought forth by a proper primary, I think she’d blow the Republican out of the water.
Yep. We seemed to quickly forget that Harris did campaign in the 2020 primary. She was trounced. She was polling something like 16th and withdrew well before the actual California primary.
Hogwash. Women have come within spitting distance of winning the presidency. Twice. Kamala and Hillary were both very unlikable candidates running no the same neoliberal platform that voters have rejected in the last three elections.
spitting distance? That is one Magic lougie, Jerry.
Yes. Spitting distance. They were both close elections. What rock have you been living under?
Hillary won the nationwide popular vote, though.
Why is anyone asking Michelle Obama to run for president? I mean, I know the bar for presidential prerequisites is buried 6 feet down after Trump, but why do the democrats keep propping up women candidates based solely on the basis of “she is a woman that you know”?
IIRC she polled better than Harris before the election, despite not even seeking the office.
I mean, who didn’t?
Yea, it’s toootally the sexism and not the absolute dog shit policies. Hilary even won the popular vote. Fuck off with this victim card crap.
TBF we elected the white man with the exact same platform and owners as Kamala.
The only real difference between her and Biden was her skin color and gender.
No, Biden was elected after Trump 1. Then people wanted more change and it became very clear that Biden was not going to win his reelection (not because of policies alone). Harris simply didn’t either, but she didn’t lose where the old white man would have won in the same circumstances and everything else equal. Harris being equal to Biden is what lost votes, not her gender.
There were many many other differences, you just choose not to see them. The main example being that for Kamala’s election we just had 4 years of Democrat ruling so voters with a gnat attention span already forgot what Trump was like.
You have not described a difference between the two canidates
Maybe the US will be mature enough to join the civilized world in a century or two.
Is there a civilized world left anywhere? Ireland maybe?
Neoliberals can fuck right off. I’ll vote for AOC.
The way they treated her and spoke of her while she was First Lady, i don’t blame her for wanting nothing to do with politics. Plenty of low key racists on the left too, so she would get it from all sides
Nearly one in five voters told an American University survey they or someone they know would not vote for a woman as president, including one-quarter of women under 50 and nearly 20 percent of men under 50.
In this survey, a larger percentage of women under 50 said they (or someone they knew) wouldn’t vote for a woman as president, compared to men who responded.
I agree the country is ready to be led by a female president, but I also agree with Michele Obama that the current electorate is not ready to elect that leader.
I think Russian misinformation efforts are currently far more effective than we are aware of at present.
In this survey, a larger percentage of women under 50 said they (or someone they knew) wouldn’t vote for a woman as president, compared to men who responded.
Women tend to have larger active social circles than men. That alone explains this.
That’s a practically useless question though, and I’m shocked the numbers weren’t higher. Of course a ton of people know someone who would never vote for a woman. Who doesn’t have a shitbag uncle?
Besides the entire “eeeeekkk a woman in the white house!!” Thing, can we please not have Michelle Obama there? I don’t want families who time after time contro the government, fuck that.
If someone omin a family becomes president it should automatically rule out any other family member from even running for a presidency
It’s more about the electoral college and who is the elector for the state unfortunately. Which is why a trump is trying to make sure his people are in those positions.
Don’t you know the rule is that only geriatric white men can win?
