I had been a Democrat since I turned 18.
Last month i registered as an independent.
There’s no point being registered with the party if they aren’t going to hold primaries.
Even if they do decide to do another primary next time i don’t think I’ll change back at this point.
They’ve lost me
Kind of hilarious that she left the party because they convinced Biden to not run. That was the one fucking thing Democrats did right. It just took them a long time to get past his hubris.
If only they did it back in January 2024.
Or January 2020
Oh yeah totally. You can tell they were right to do that on account of how they went on to win the next election.
The right time to do what they did with Harris was the day after she was sworn in, not a couple of months before the election.
That plus a federal prosecutor who declined to do his job damned our country, and here we are.
The timing sucked, you’re right about that. But they weren’t wrong to pressure Biden to not run again. Biden had zero business running again. The man was 81 years old, and very much in cognitive decline. The only reason he got as far as he did in the process was because of wishful thinking on everybody’s part. At that point, it was a bit of a Sophie’s choice; they could either throw their weight behind him, hoping beyond hope that he could just nudge that campaign over the finish line, or they could convince him to step aside in favor of someone eminently better fit for it, which meant throwing away the results of the primary.
Convincing him to step down was the right choice. I don’t know if you’re just misremembering things or what, but the polling was not good for Biden around that point. Trump looked like a shoe-in. While he wasn’t guaranteed to lose, he definitely had a worse chance of winning than Harris did. Here’s the national polling chart from that time; Biden dropped out July 21st. Do you see how the blue line went up and the red line went down after that?
Trump won, and that really fucking sucks. But saying that the Democrats fucked up and that Biden would have won is just pure fantasy. I get it; I don’t want this piece of shit to be president either, and it makes me furious every day that he is. In situations like this, it’s natural to want to throw some blame around. But blaming the Democrats for making the right choice just ain’t it.
The man has stage 4 cancer, regardless of the election outcome it was the right thing for Biden to step down.
His running shows a massive error in judgement.
Eh, she is selling a book. She can get up and stand up to what is happening or stay a whining child.
C’mon baby…make that post-Biden money before you are forgotten. America! Fuck yeah!
Ok.
Have fun being irrelevant and having zero chance of changing anything.
Independents aren’t going to matter until they get their shit together and start winning local/state elections so they can get some kind of presence in Congress.
I’m going to go ahead and assume she’s going to do jack shit in regards to helping make that happen.
As opposed to being in the Democratic Party and being irrelevant and having zero chance of changing anything because it’s full of stodgy old liberals who would step over their dead mother to keep progressives out.
Also, independents don’t matter but Bernie has a higher approval rating than any Democrat.
Well i am not voting for democratic nominees unless they had prioritized progressive policies in the past, so she will be in good company.
Are you taking about the primary or the general here?
I mean we have talked about this before. But for everyone else in the class i am talking about everything. Remember i was the guy you argued with about forcing progressive policy with conditional voting. You don’t get that by voting blue no matter who.
Got it so you’re part of the problem.
Primary is for change and general is for picking the better of the two choices.
I mean. I see You as part of the problem. You have no answer to the rightward ratchet. And so i can only conclude that democrats rightward drift is not a bug to you it’s a feature and if that’s the case, i don’t rate your opinion very highly
The rightward ratchet is just another cliché designed to fit nicely into your biases and end all thought after that.
I mean, you can admit that you don’t align with progressive policy and are a ‘the market will provide’ liberal. And i would just have to accept that.
But for some bizarre reason you just outright deny the rightward drift is even happening. Which was the incorrect play here. You can argue policy, you can’t argue facts.
It sounds like she’s upset how the Democratic Party treated Biden and I don’t blame her.
Ugh… More of the “independent” bullshit.
Wait, can you genuinely explain your comment? I mean in a meaningful nuanced way?
Sure.
It’s a political bullshit cop out by politicians and honestly the general population too, often to sell something, like a freaking book.
Also,
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/
Another gripe is the whole “Independents” are not Independent with the American population, just a whole lot of cowards who don’t want to commit to making things better.
Just my two cents on the whole Independent labeling.
Independent doesnt have that much influence. This country is purely Dems vs Rep.
That and fucking RFK Jr ran as an “Independent” during 2024 election. Had us all fooled thinking he might top Trump with all those ads and speeches. Well shit…
Within the two-party system, independents are often progressive and therefore syphon votes away from the Democratic Party, leading to elections won by republicans.
Often, independent candidates are even bankrolled by conservative PACS, for this specific reason.
If the US had a ranked-choice voting system, it wouldn’t be a problem.
99% of the time, running as an independent, is detrimental to progress, and instrumental to regression.
I tried to explain, as you asked, in a nuanced, meaningful way.
Independent progressives don’t run for office. They vote blue no matter who just like they’re berated to do by literally everyone.
Maybe she’s just sick of being stuck in a party that she doesn’t fit in and recognizes she doesn’t have the power to change it, even at her lofty level.
Surely the alternative party won’t treat her worse once they’re done with her
You might be shocked, but you don’t have to be in either party.
I have to be a Democrat to vote in the primaries in my state.
I should sue for mental anguish.
