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    So the “elected” government is trying to control prices? Isn’t that the definition of socialism?

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    Wow. I used to think he just couldn’t stop lying about tariffs…

    But now I’m convinced he has NO idea what they are or how they work… NONE

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        “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had.” - Professor William T. Kelley, Wharton School of Business and Finance

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          “This guy is a fucking Moron…”

          —Rex Tillerson, Trump’s handpicked (first) Secretary of State

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          and his dad the equally reprehensible fred trump, had to donate a significant amount to get him into his “2nd rate school”

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      That’s the thing about spending 70 years lying and having someone else fire anyone that disagrees…

      You start believing it all.

      Same shit happened to Elon and loads of other rich people, they stop getting real feedback and understanding that they’re being lied to.

      The honestly believe their own bullshit, and they just don’t know how to react to the truth.

      We saw it with the interview about the ms13 tattoo, trump doesn’t even know how to argue anymore, he’s used to everyone just agreeing with him, so when they don’t his only argument is “why aren’t you saying what I want you to say, do you not understand what I want you to say?”

      Because that’s the only time they hear what they dont want to; when the person talking to them is confused about what they want to hear

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      I was convinced of that from the start. The language he used, I’m pretty sure he’s under the impression that the country you levy a tariff against is the one that pays it. Basically “make Mexico pay for the wall” part 2.

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        Yep. Somehow, someway; he got the impression that because "goods from China " get hit, that China pays to send it here…

        And as someone else posted; he’s surrounded by people who ONLY agree with him. None of his people are correcting him…

        We’re so boned

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      he treats them like his court cases, he thinks tariffs are a way to bully people to do what you want. he has no idea the economic implications of it. also hes doing it as a behest to putin.

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        I think he at least roughly understands the economic implications, he just doesn’t care. He’ll just crack to the rhetoric, blame everyone else for the problems, and assume his fan base will eat up every word and let him continue.

        Falling that, he just goes all in on ignoring elections and count upon the system to let him do that like it’s a woman with a pussy to grab.

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    Walmart made BILLIONS OF DOLLARS last year, far more than expected.

    Under Joe Biden’s absolutely terrible, awful, most baddest saddest America-lastest economy?

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      I honestly don’t think anyone actually informed him of how this would go down.

      The president currently holds a cabinet of people and constituents who have, for the greater part of the past 12 years, relied on the ideals of sycophantic behaviour and likewise. To be in the room and suggest that an idea is not good would and likely has turned heads and gotten them removed from their positions. Look at the most recent Removal of the FEMA administrator: bashed on fema previously, incited change, told congress that axing FEMA would be a bad thing, immediately fired and replaced with a sycophant

      Lack of informed information because it doesn’t align is part of the M.O. of this administration and the GOP for several years now. The only thing that matters is the ideal of greatness, whatever logic that entails.

      This individual also has notably refuted and refused to consume media that doesn’t tailor to his outlook. Even bashing on Fox, which is the biggest right winged media outlet out there.

      My point is, he probably did not truly know what would happen. On paper and in his entourage, tariffs are indeed technically a tax on other countries, but in practice It is a tax on the people.

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      He thought that applying pressure through broad import taxes would force foreign manufacturers to drop their prices to avoid losing those sweet sweet US sales, and that foreign governments would line up at his door, begging for “deals”. He was wrong, and anyone with a brain would have known that.

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    doesnt sound very free market to me

    if they raise prices because they have to, thats just normal

    if they raise prices because they can get away with it, thats kinda nasty though

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      Ironically, the Economy was one of the number one concerns among voters during the election. People blamed Biden for the stores raising prices, while the Biden admin actually investigated major grocers over artificially high prices, and then elected Trump who is actually responsible for raising prices.

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      Captain dipshit said he’ll be watching and so will the customers. So? The price will go up from the tariffs. It’s like he struggles to be this much of a moron. I feel like he’s so stupid that I get dumber every time I have to listen to him talk.

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        Remember when his business school professor said he was the dumbest student he ever taught? Looks prophetic.

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    What the fuck do you think businesses are gonna do? Their costs went up. Planet Money podcast had an interview with a small business owner that had to pay the 145% tariff on her imports ordered before the tariffs went into effect. On a $30,000 shipment, that’s an extra $43,500. You think businesses are gonna keep prices the same and eat that? They will go bankrupt.

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      This is one of the most glaring problems with tariffs. Companies raise their prices and the tariff becomes basically a tax on the people. But within that is hidden the fact that gigantic companies can often hold off on raising prices because they have the money to deal with it in the short term and the massive markets to pull in discounted prices from suppliers. The result is humongous businesses like Walmart keep their prices low through the tariffs while your mom and pop shop down the street has no choice but to raise prices or go out of business cause they don’t have the kind of margins bigger companies do. They raise their prices, everyone flocks to huge businesses like Walmart who kept their prices lower, then mom and pop close up shop cause they aren’t selling anything at the higher prices. Then Walmart can do whatever they want cause they just tagged tariffs into the ring and murdered the competition. Tariffs have their place but they largely suck ass in a multitude of ways.

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    Hahaha! This is the ONE time I agree with Trump.

    All defending the house that Sam built, it is the richest company in the world by revenue beating out Amzaon and state owned organizations like Saudi Aramco and Chinese controlled organizations. It regularly bullies its way into small towns, demanding tax cuts and the infrastructure to build their stores, run those stores at a loss until all competition is gone then raises prices to squeeze out the area. Then is happy to shut down the “bottom performing stores” leaving a wasteland behind for these towns that lost everything to the mega giant. They’re turning the home town of Bentonville into Austin, even driving out local business for their friends out of Austin.

    And the biggest thing is… Project 2025, all of this going on, written by the Heritage Foundation… The Walton Family Foundation is one of the big funders of the Heritage Foundation as well as many of the other Project 2025 advisory board partners. They made it easy to search even! https://www.waltonfamilyfoundation.org/grants-database

    I’ve come from its home town, Walmart has always pushed a radical republican conservative agenda. Walmart is not some hapless victim, this is pure 100% leopards dining on some faces that voted for the leopards eating faces party.

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      Walmart is garbage, but the claim they can eat 30% tariffs because they made billions is by itself not a credible argument.

      They made 16 billion in profit, on the back of 650 billion in revenue. Percentage wise that’s 2.5%. The acquisition cost of the goods is a fraction of their operating costs, but if cost of acquiring the goods was even only 10% of their revenue, the tariffs are enough to push them red.

      If he is right then I would expect a nice analysis of the financials of Walmart showing this is feasible, rather than a hollow rant.

      Alternatively, if it were as he stated earlier temporary pain like medicine to fix the manufacturing imbalance, I would want a more coherent strategy. As it stands, businesses can’t plan around his tariff policy as it shifts day to day without warning. If they did bring home manufacturing at significant expense, they lose because Trump gives in and competition that didn’t bother has an advantage.

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      The only thing I agree with on Trump here is that he’s correctly pointing out that WalMart made billions in profits last year. Yes, WalMart supported this monster in the first place thinking it would work out for them in the long run, so it’s a leopards eating faces scenario for sure, and I wouldn’t be sad if WalMart lost profits this year because of Trump’s stupidity. It’s just too bad that regular people are going to suffer because WalMart killed the small businesses that used to support towns that they wormed their way into.

      We aren’t even done adjusting to inflation pricing, and here we are not getting slapped with a Trump Tax on top of it. Madness.

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        That’s the one thing I agree with him on as well, but honestly what did he expect? Trump—of all people—should understand greed. Billionaires aren’t going to wilfully take a pay cut unless you force them to.

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        The only thing I agree with on Trump here is that he’s correctly pointing out that WalMart made billions in profits last year.

        That’s pretty much exactly what I was saying. Really my only thing I appreciated is him going after Walmart, and okay, I’ll agree they should eat the profits on the tariffs, Musk may be the richest man, but the Waltons are the richest family and not by far. And yes, the tariffs are gonna suck for all of us and is one of the most mouth dribblingly stupid things that could ever be done. But here we are.

        For the people hurting. It sucks. I’m in the same pool too so I’m in the same neck deep madness that’s our current scenario. I’m sorry… I just can’t bring myself to care as I’ve lived in red states full of people voting against their will and despite years of attempting voting outreach, having friends tell me proudly they just didn’t vote even though they’re in more danger of the policies than I… I just kind of threw my hands up on empathy and said fuck it, I’m gonna put on a helmet, hunker down and try to ride out this fucking storm with those that I trust. So right now I’m taking what little pleasure I can through schadenfreude of watching one of the companies that put America right where it’s at currently get its hand bit by the dog it feeds.

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        I’m pressure that Trump doesn’t ACTUALLY care. He just wants to PERFORM like he cares so He can deny that it’s his fault. Walmart won’t lose profits and Trump gets to look like he’s “trying hard” to keep prices low.

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          I expect him to do absolutely nothing to Walmart, sure. I’m just REALLY REALLY hoping that he keeps ranting about them and gets his red hats angry at Walmart like he’s done to other corporations. I expect there won’t be any significant damage to its profits, but if it even tweaks the shareholders a little bit I’ll be over here cackling like a madman.

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    Why not refund the taxpayers cost of tariffs from the tariffs collected? Tariffs are being broken out on invoices, file the tariff tax as deductions on 1040’s. It would be a wash for the taxpayers.

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      Well you see the problem here is that you’re using your brain and well we just can’t be having that

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      That seems convoluted but also as stated it wouldn’t be a wash.

      A deduction means pretend that portion of income never existed and the taxable portion of it is not charged.

      Then generally the deduction has to be above the standard deduction to make sense to use, and the standard deduction is just so high nowadays.

      So if you claimed a hypothetical deduction of 1,000, then you reduce your tax burden by only 200 or so, assuming you otherwise had like 20 some odd thousand in deductions to get you close to the standard deduction.

      The only way it would be a wash is if it were a refundable tax credit with no qualifications, and that almost never happens for anything. I could imagine a non refundable credit that would make it a wash for anyone with sufficient tax liability.

      However, this would make the tariffs an utterly pointless needless complication, needing a whole lot more accounting by sellers and consumers just to get to a similar and simpler position of not doing the tariffs in the first place.

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      The goal seems to be replacing of federal income tax with import tariffs (like it was in the 1800s). The flat rate they set could collect as much as the income tax if import levels stay the same. Also, some of the stats shared by the administration early on on collections per day would multiply up to the total income tax collected. Writing them off would be counterproductive.

      The only downside with consumption taxes is that they are regressive. People in the lowest income levels will end up paying more percentage richer people because there is so much that rich people can consume from overseas vs poorer people.

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    WalMarts whole thing is tiny profit margins

    They literally don’t have a choice. It isn’t about giving up profit margins, it’s about having a profit margin AT ALL.

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      Walmarts whole thing is driving out competition. They’re the richest company in the world and supported Trump. They asked for this.

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        chance are they will rise prices way more than necessary to cover for the tariffs.

        they will cry that they had no choice and have record profits.

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          I never thought about it but… what are the chances they don’t have to pay tariffs on import? They raise prices because “tariffs”, but don’t actually pay them. I mean, tariffs are payed to the government by the importer. Trump is technically the mafia. What mechanisms are in place that would prohibit Wallmart from sucking Trumps cock in exchange for getting a secret special 0% import tax license?

          They are the biggest corporation. Rules don’t necessarily apply at that level. Trump would certainly listen to any proposition they may have.

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              Selling price can go up because of greed too.
              Tariffs can be the excuse.
              They dont need to pay them if they know which dick to suck.
              This is what Im pondering. Is this possible in trumps america?