This is not okay.
This is a coup
And thus, the Night of Long Knives begins.*
Edit: The AP, as of 15 min ago has posted an update: “Dugan was taken into custody by the FBI on Friday morning on the courthouse grounds, according to U.S. Marshals Service spokesperson Brady McCarron. She appeared briefly in federal court in Milwaukee later Friday before being released from custody. Her next court appearance is May 15.”
Thank goodness, she has been released- even if she is still going on trial for a trumped-up charge.
The problem with the MAGA/Nazi comparison is not that MAGA isn’t as evil, it’s that they’re less competent.
And why is that a problem? It sounds like a hindrance to them, which is a definite good thing.
Stupid is not the same as harmless. They routinely harm themselves gleefully. They can’t comprehend the full consequences of their own actions. That makes them dangerous.
There are many flavors of stupid, many of them are just plain evil.
I didn’t say they were harmless. I said their incompetence only helps their opposition.
The Nazis were more competent and still lost. How would being less competent than that help them in any way?
They are causing generational damage to the country. Just because their incompetence doesn’t help them doesn’t mean it isn’t still hurting us. That’s the opposite of helping.
Again, I never said they weren’t causing harm. You’re conflating the concepts of aid and beneficence.
Trump and his ilk being in power is not beneficial to the country, but their sheer stupidity in attempting to achieve their goals aids their opposition in stopping them.
And you’re not understanding the type of harm idiots do as opposed to smart evil people. Take immigration. A smart evil person might revoke visas and deport illegal aliens for small things not previously done. They could do this while shielding themselves legally by working within the constraints of the law. The opposition would be powerless because they stay within the law. These ass clowns are deporting legal aliens to countries they have been explicitly protected from being sent to, detaining US born citizens, threatening to deport people to countries they have no connection to, and myriad other completely illegal and unconstitutional things. In a perfect world the opposition could hold them accountable in court. But the opposition is still trying to fight “fair” and twiddling their fucking thumbs.
So this abso-fucking-lutely is not a good scenario because they are stupid. Way more harm is being done and the opposition isn’t doing a fucking thing.
it’s that they’re less competent
Not sure if that’s true actually, the Nazis were supremely incompetent as well. It just doesn’t take that much competence to smash a delicate balance like the separation of powers. You basically need control of one the three branches of government and you are good to try, Trump controls two and this news is about him smashing the third.
Loading my firearms as we speak
It’s like a program and it concerns me.
Do you mean pogrom?
Please remember: the ICE “arrests” are KIDNAPPINGS BY NON-UNIFORMED CIVILIANS. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
If you see a gang of 4 dudes with beards and guns and jeans and polo shirts … treat it like the kidnapping it is.
It would be great to see people stand up to these kidnappings. Maybe even some good guys with guns
I get your sentiment and feel the same way, but that’s just adding death to the equation. I honestly think that is exactly what they want. If they detain you, you still have access to lawyers and others who are working to protect these people. If you’re dead, you can’t to any of that. You can’t defend yourself. The action alone will make you a ‘terrorist’ and therefore justify their actions.
It fucking sucks.
If they detain you, you still have access to lawyers and others who are working to protect these people.
Have you been skipping the news for weeks?
No. There are plenty of lawyers and groups (ACLU) working to get these people to a judge. Hell, even the Supreme Court ruled that the deportations must stop to give them due process.
Are they following those orders? I don’t think so.
But to say that there aren’t people fighting for these people is just flat out, blatantly and categorically wrong.
How does Muhmud Khalil have a lawyer if what I said was wrong?
Have you been skipping the news for weeks?
You seem to be choosing the few people who were able to get a lawyer in time… In your hypothetical, that is not guaranteed or even something I’d bet on. And you are also pointing out that they won’t obey judges orders anyways so… I’m very confused as to what argument you think you are making.
Anyone who sees anyone being kidnapped should do their civic duty to stop it. Just because it suddenly seems to be government representatives that are doing the kidnapping now does not change that. You don’t know which it is.
I do wonder how many people have already been disappeared with no cameras around and they are just “missing” according to their families who can’t/don’t want to go to the cops in case it was the cops all along.
You are wrong though. The majority get shipped off no lawyers no nothing. Just gone.
access to lawyers
I don’t believe it would work out that way if you are detained and don’t already have numbers lined up. They are already skipping due process anyway…
I don’t want violence. I just want to remind people that these are illegal government kidnappings.
It. Fucking. Sucks. Indeed.
You have access to lawyers???
Not a single person that I’m aware of that got shipped off to El Salvador had a fair trial. This isn’t the US you know anymore. You don’t get a trial if they don’t want you to have one.
If an ICE agent dies they can’t harm anyone else
An absurd suggestion. ICE agents looking to disappear you are merely volunteers for America’s new Necronaut Program. Necronauts are needed for the upcoming assassination of God, and invasion of heaven.
Senators, governors, and mayors of “sanctuaries” are going to be close behind.
I wonder if militias need to grow because I believe Trump will use everything in his power to destroy the liberals and any opposing force. Military could soon fraction and people will take sides, as one party wants to protect the constitution while the others oppose. Remeber our country was born based on the constitution…We are on the right side of history cause it reflects core American values. You decide to errode that then your not a true American. They will always be traitors considering they are freely defying the constitution now…fuck them and I cant wait til their day comes.
America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn’t enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.
Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You’re going to need it for what is coming.
So they have arrested two judges. ICE and FBI are traitors.
People should start reporting illegal immigrant MA13 members at the homes or Republican officials
First they came for the immigrants, But I said nothing, Because I’m not a filthy immigrant.
Then they came for the protestors, But I said nothing, Because protesters are libtards.
Then they came for the judges and politicians, But I said nothing, Because they are all corrupt and evil.
Then they came for the minorities, But I said nothing, Because they deserve it!
And then they came for me, Because I was a gullible tool.
- A future MAGAT survivor.
They would never admit it. They would say “and then they came for me, and I have no idea why”
They wouldn’t say “no idea why.” They would blame the immigrants.
I said this before…when the fuck do we rise up? Or are we going to sit in the pot and boil?
I think you guys are going to sit and boil.
If you ask me, things should have started burning a few months ago.
Unfortunately, this is a exactly what Trump wants. He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections. All of this is calculated.
He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections.
And the alternative is sit and let ICE blackbag innocents?
The US has the 2nd amendment, which they love so much. ICE should be getting gunned down in the street by this point.
This is how you guarantee trump’s third term.
It’s already happening. America can passively accept their country is gone, or they can fight to try and save it.
And the minute they begin to fight, Trump locks it all down and America enters into a martial law that I guarantee won’t end before his third term.
If there’s an uprising- it’ll have to be all-or-nothing- and that nothing will come at a heavy cost.
I really hope people know this is exactly what he wants. You’re being baited into giving him everything he needs.
Ok so what, work within the system? The clearly ineffectual system which isn’t working?
You’re right. It’s better to just hide in your homes and hope for the best. Don’t want to play into his hands.
I dunno about that. This was more or less Chuck Schumers approach to passing his agenda. If you fight him it’s going to get worse, so don’t fight? I feel foreign nationals shouldn’t be leading the charge because of their vulnerability, but for full-fledged us born citizens following the law with their rebuke, surely many would martyr themselves for a historical rally against fascism knowing the ACLU would defend them.
Oh we should absolutely be fighting but not with guns. We should be fighting with the law and protests. We should be confronting these fuckers at every junction. But the moment we pick up a gun or a rock or some other violent means we just give them the excuse to escalate the fascism.
If I’m not mistaken, a full national declaration of martial law would require not only approval of individual state legislatures, but also the loyalty of the military and the National Guard in every state.
By bypassing laws and regulations, totally disregarding checks and balances now that mechanism is compromised, the bastard need not to declare martial law to spread terror.
I think you’re 100% correct.
I blame the “fuck you got mine” mentality that’s become ingrained in Americans. A revolution requires selflessness but Americans aren’t equipped for that.
Agreed, things haven’t been good for years. But since Covid this country went from “we the people” to “me, me, me.”
I feel it started before and it was like that before covid. I’m gen Z and I remember around 2017 the rise of popularity of songs about “me me me being the #1 gang banger the gangster, them bitches love me, them ni**as hating” among the people in my age group, and it sorta just grew from there.
What I noticed during covid and once TikTok style videos became mainstream was sort of a “normalization” or acceptance of the phenomena mentioned above.
Remember Wall-E were everyone in the future is a fat individualistic human being, connected to a bed on wheels with a screen and everyone seems to be doing their own thing with no resemblance of families, couples, friends, goals?
Agreed I’m 42 and personally growing up in the late 80s and 90s I feel like Regan and Rush Limbaugh were both a big influence on the situation the country is in now. And honestly, you can go back to Nixon and JFK getting assassinated as the main focal point from when America stopped being America and became more conservative and for the money and for the wealthy.
Kinda hard when only 55% of people disapprove of your king.
Allegedly, it only takes 3.5% of a population to enact change through nonviolent protests. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
Maybe give that an honest try first? Hard to unring a bell.
Where the hell have you been for the last few years? Americans won’t do shit. The tech oligarchy and the facists have the population exactly where they want them to be, struggling and unable to take actions.
Struggling economically and doom scrolling from the moment they wake up, until they go to bed.
when the fuck do we rise up?
As long as there’s an internet to keep the keyboard warriors happy enough to just complain about it online and then walk away feeling like they’re part of the resistance?
Never.
And the moment there is an uprising, you’ve just given Trump his reason to secure a third term. So, there’s that.
From where I see it- the only way to fight this is to create a functional time machine and go back and tell the ninety one million people smooth-brained dipshits that sitting their asses and whining about genocide in a country they couldn’t have even pointed to on a map a year and a half ago- would result in everything happening now.
This was avoidable.
And now we have to contend with the possibility of having to participate in an absolute shitshow of a bloodbath as the only means to regain the freedoms we had just a few months ago?
I honestly don’t know who’s worse; the far left protest voting- dumbasses that helped put us here, or the far right MAGA voting dumbasses that wanted to put us here.
Trump’s Night of the long knives coming next
I really wish independent journalism existed so you could find out basic facts like “how often does the FBI normally arrest judges?” “Has a judge ever been arrested for obstruction of justice?” “Do they never get arrested inside a courthouse?”
I’m sure Judges sometimes commit crimes, just like everyone else. Are they normally given special deference and not arrested? Do they only get arrested for serious charges, and normally they get special dispensation because of their judge status?
Arresting judges does sound alarming, but without context it’s impossible to know just how norm-breaking it is.
For example, if a judge is pulled over and found to be driving drunk, I most definitely would want that judge arrested and charged. Not arresting and charging a judge in that situation sounds like institutional corruption. I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens, but I don’t know because these journalists aren’t doing their damn jobs.
Don’t get me wrong, in this case I’m pretty convinced that the Trump people are overstepping their bounds. It seems like a pattern of attacking the judiciary. And, this isn’t the judges being arrested for driving drunk or accepting bribes. This is judges being arrested for things related to immigration. Immigration, in particular, is something that the Trump administration is doing completely unlawfully.
But, how can we have any kind of informed dialogue when the standard of reporting is: “One side said ‘It’s outrageous they arrested a judge’, the other side said ‘the administration won’t accept judges breaking the law.’ The judge may have been a democrat.”
Probably because the article is from a business news outlet. I have heard a lawyer talk about the case, saying it was very unusually for her to be arrested for such charges (Leeja Miller I believe; not really a journalist, just a youtuber).
That’s the problem. Someone shouldn’t have to find a random YouTuber to get basic answers.
Increased danger to the public?
If dude was already out and about and minding his business, dude continuing to be out and about keeps the amount of danger just about the same.
I know trumpers won’t ever hear about this or if they do it will be a completely twisted story and they’ll think the judge shot at the ice agents or something but the amount of mental effort it has to take to not see this as a tinpot dictator move is unbelievable. It’s hard to believe people this dumb walk among us and go to work and everything
Yeah this is pretty fucking blatant
It has started. It has been out of control for some time I can guess it will end badly for our American cousins and also the world.
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