And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
Playing nice again nazis always worked out fine. Remember how we defeated Hitler by just asking him politely to stop killing people?
Is Neville around? We should ask him.
AOC and others who are prepared to fight this bullshit need to spin off their own political party. I figure it would only take the departures of a handful of high-profile progressives to make the whole house of cards fall. The country is being pillaged, and the Dems’ response has been completely fucking impotent. Time to build a new party that isn’t run by geriatric milquetoasts.
It’s too late for that.
No it isn’t and talking that way is not helpful. Although, if you’re ready to give up before experiencing any actual consequences of all this then you weren’t going to be much help anyway.
And people say .ee has the worst responses
“We’re literally losing our democracy!!!”
votes for it to continue for the 200th time in a row
“How could this happen?!”
helps them do it again
Sounds very democratic of them
A vote for the democrats is a vote for Trump.
Uhhhh
I’m pretty sure they’re being sarcastic.
Right?
Right?
Fuck the democrats. Let’s take BERNIE and AOC, and replace the rest in the next election.
They’re not even good enough. Both of them are turncoats. Bernie “the word genocide makes me quesy” Sanders is voting in Trump’s nominees. AOC endorsed Kamala and reinforced the “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” bullshit, every two minutes she’s folded on something new.
You know what, I’d take “not good enough” over “actively dismantling our democracy”, but fuck me I guess
Great, so we’re already “lesser of two evils”-ing our hypothetical new party designed to replace the Democrats. Just great.
Here’s an idea. If we’re replacing the Democratic Party, let’s ONLY include people who aren’t traitors. Can we find five or ten people like that amongst the American population of 330 million people?
Nah, I’m just saying you’re being too picky. Right now, I don’t really think there’s anything wrong with rallying around a message of “Not Trump, Not Fascism”. You know, considering those are the things that are currently dismantling our democracy.
Calling people turncoats when they should be considered allies does nothing to fight the real, current threat in office. All this infighting just sets us back and puts us further down the road to fascism. This quest for the perfect liberal party is a waste of effort because it’s so pie-in-the-sky and borderline impossible to actually achieve in any meaningful length of time.
It sucks, but that’s reality. Our democracy is fucked, and trying to find even more idealist liberals to replace the likes of Bernie and AOC isn’t gonna fix it.
I could not have been more clear - I completely reject the idea that we should be preemptively compromising our morals in a hypothetical new party designed to replace the morally compromised Democratic party. This is literally INSANE. Like, can we as a society even brush our teeth without compromising with the perpetrators of genocide and global empire? You’re already PLANNING a moral compromise for a political party that doesn’t even EXIST yet?
K good luck making any progress or solving any problems whatsoever then*. One day you might realize that the real world is shitty and messy and requires compromise.
The moral compromises we’re talking about are literally giving up on solving problems preemptively. You’re talking about making plans for the future, designing new things from scratch, you have every tool in the world at your disposal, a blank canvas, and you take a huge paintbrush and dip it into a whole house-sized can of black paint and just start smearing it everywhere.
Can we find five or ten people like that amongst the American population of 330 million people?
probably not, no
AOC endorsed Kamala
Right, I’m sure the current situation is better than endorsing Kamala…
Okay but she endorsed Kamala, and we are still in the current situation?
I disagree with dx1, and think they are worth keeping around, but the criticism that they fell right in line with a genocidal regime, and refused to stand for their principles is fully true.
So between the two options available to her: try to get Kamala elected or increase the likelihood of Trump being elected, which do you think was the better option to pursue?
I think there is an honest way to try to get Kamala elected that doesn’t involve going to the DNC and lying about her tireless work towards a cease fire.
I mean I disagree, but I am curious. Who then?
AOC is 100% correct.
She’s saying the thing the Radical Tankie Left has been saying since the Clinton Era. It’s good to hear someone in her position repeating the message one more time. But the fact that it has to come from a fringe member of a fringe caucus, rather than - say - Hakeem Jefferies or Dick Durban, is depressing.
We’re so far away from a McConnell style “We’re going to make Obama a one-term President” moment. Liberals simply cannot understand politics as conflict. Its always just make’n deals for your district’s rich friends and stuffing your own pockets along the way.
Liberals ✊✊✊💦💦💦
Updoots to the left
She suggested the full dem party to stop focusing on pronouns and idpol way back when Biden was still on ballots.
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
The elite Democrats aren’t worried about fighting back.
They are trying to figure out how they can win the next round AND HOW THEY WILL USE THE SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE ONCE THEY REGAIN CONTROL.
We need another party that is actually for the people.
Green party right there
Stop nominating psycho con artists and we can talk.
Hasn’t been relevant since Nader, has no brand power, might as well start from scratch.
I’d love to see them do something other than show up every 4 years and only for President, too.
That brand has been ruined, as far as I can tell. Also, the name just screams single issue…
Yup, the “only turning up to attempt to spoil the presidential race for the democrat candidate every 4 years” just screams “Russian plant” to me. If they actually wanted to affect change, they would start at the local level and grow from there. But they aren’t actually interested in changing anything; They just want to poach votes from democrats, to hand the win to republicans.
At best, if we assume they actually have good intentions, they’re the equivalent of jumping straight into the deep end of the pool without even knowing how to swim. Except they keep jumping in every 4 years, despite the fact that they have put zero effort into learning how to swim.
Alright if that’s your view of it then fine, punch them down, but prop something up that’s suitable. America is on fire right now. The people need something to rally behind that isn’t MAGA. All the opposition wants to do is infight. There’s nothing uniting everyone except Fuck Trump.
Did it matter in WW2 that the Allies didn’t have more to rally behind than Fuck Hitler? Anything is more suitable than fascism.
WWII was Hitler and friends going out and killing the neighbors. If he was just an asshole, the war wouldn’t have happened.
you still talk to democrats, curious.
Democratic Party: “The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
Democrat voters: “Oh my god! The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
They’re not wrong
Oh yeah, could be, but they had jack shit to back it up.
People think the Democrats are losing relevance because they’re “Too woke”, and “No one cares about transpeople when there are bills to pay”
It’s really because they do shit like try to compromise with someone who wants to kill you by agreeing to let them cut off an arm.
Nobody thinks that. This is the excuse democrats use to not own up to their right wing campaign with Liz Cheney.
Sadly there are many people who voted for Trump because Democrats are “Communists and Woke!” and that they “Invented Transpeople to help Obama destabilize American Women’s Sports!”
No they want cheap eggs.
IT’s not “The economy stupid”
It isn’t playing nice if you know the people you’re approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
I’ve tried talking to Trump voters. It’s fucking impossible because they live in an alternate universe and see a completely different reality than everybody else.
There is no way to get through them tbh. They worship rich people want to be the next wealthy billionaire no matter what the cost. They have no demands of policy net positive for their own countrymen at all.
You are a weird, see it with your eyes, or congress.
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment. The fact that she is able to articulate our current crisis is amazing.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment.
I can think of no shoulders more capable.
It should not be on her shoulders only.
It should not, no. But here we are.
Unfortunately everyone else seems to be complicit.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
She’s one of the most prominent progressives in America there are few more appropriate choices.
Democrats would rather be fascists than fight fascists.
But when you try and run a campaign as off-brand, Mr Pibb, diet-fascists…
At this point US needs leaders who can mobilize people and spearhead protest marches in the street. AOC is perfectly positioned to call for such protest march. If she does that and become figurehead of the Dem Allies against MuskTrump axis, she might get elevated to same status as MLK and may be even Lincoln. And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala lost and she lost badly. She’s not going to be the figurehead
Kamala is 100% corporate Dem, and they helped create this mess. She has zero interest in recognizing that she was and is part of the problem.
And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala Harris is the new Hillary Clinton. The GOP boogeyman and now political poison after she embarrassingly lost to Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris was deeply unpopular both before and during the Biden administration, and (sorry to say it, but it’s true) she was largely picked because there was pressure for Biden to pick a minority female to “balance out” the fact that he was a white man. You know how some people, particularly (but not entirely) on the right, believe that affirmative action means that minorities end up getting positions that they otherwise probably wouldn’t have gotten because someone needs to fill a “diversity quota” or whatever? That’s how a lot of people felt about Harris – picked not because of her qualifications, but because she was a black woman.
She’s basically been the poster child for this as far as the GOP is concerned ever since. And not in a good way. Right now, with anti-DEI sentiment gaining traction in this country at a record pace and DEI initiatives becoming political battery acid, the last thing you want as the face of the movement is someone believed to be the poster child for DEI initiatives run amok.
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I do not think AOC has remote same appeal or adeptness of rhetoric to ever do something like this. Would recommend listening to MLKs speeches if haven’t already. Someone like that will come eventually, but they can’t be forced into that position. Also, the situation has to call for it. If it were possible to wake up and choose to be MLK we’d have a million.
Where are all the 2a folks who are going to stop the ‘tyRAnNicAl gOvERnMenT’
It’s our tyrannical government, so it’s okay.
More like they wouldn’t know a tyrant even if one shouted “I’m a fucking tyrant”.
You mean the responsible gun owners who don’t shoot until they have verified the target, cleared the surroundings and are ready to kill?
We’re not quite there yet.
Well good luck out there…It feels like things could get messy
No. Send in Schumer again. Surely it’ll work this time.
But he’s so aroused! /s
Fear of reprisal.
Once all these confirmations are done, you may see senators that voted against mysteriously fall out of windows.
Oh please, even Democrats who did vote for these unqualified fascist will get thorium poisoning.
Appeasement will not save anyone from the night of long knives.
