• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldOP
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    24 days ago

    Isn’t that what put this idiot into office in the first place?

    Not to mention the non-turnout of the low-info dipshit that thinks bleating “both sides” is the height of political savvy?

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      24 days ago

      “but her emails[sic].”

      The spelling error is the cherry on top.

      “But both of the options do a bad thing. I can’t see nuance so that makes them all the same, and I’ll not vote for either.” – 2024’s worst voters.

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    Wow, never thought I would be nodding along as I read the crap dribbling out of Steve Brannon’s mouth. But, the GOP’s only hope is people who are so ignorant of reality that they can’t see the obvious lies right in front of them.

    Of course, one should never underestimate the Democrats’ ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I could certainly see the DNC sorting out a way to fuck over more populist candidates, handing seats to the GOP.

    • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldOP
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      Of course, one should never underestimate the Democrats’ ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I could certainly see the DNC sorting out a way to fuck over more populist candidates, handing seats to the GOP.

      Honestly, some of the apparent positions of the likes of Chevalier is going to be something the far right tries to smear anyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh with…they spent years acting like “defund the police” ( 🙄 ) was something not only every progressive was for, but was a plank of the Democratic Party. And of course, that phrase was easily distorted into the worst caricature of the left.

      I’m just saying - sure, the “centrists” might easily fuck it all up for everyone, but don’t underestimate the power of the terminally online leftist brigade to really fuck it all up, too.

      America tends to poll progressive on the issues, but there are certain online types that then do a great job of stepping on rakes and giving the right their talking points.

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        Most online leftists prefer virtue signaling to winning elections. Many just can’t help themselves from pushing too far when someone doesn’t share their exact priority list or use their preferred buzzwords with 100% accuracy.

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          I don’t think it’s “most” online leftists; I think it just seems that way because the rest aren’t posting stupid shit.

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            That may be true but perception is reality. Most Trump voters aren’t buying golden sneakers and scam crypto coins but those are still the ones that come to mind when you picture a Trump voter.

          • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldOP
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            Yeah, I agree with you and Drusas on this. I remember lurking in and sometimes trying to post in, huffing-your-own-farts far left corners of the net like what Boing Boing became just before they took their comments behind a paywall (!).

            While the mods and the worst offenders on there constituted a very small part of the group, they did have all the levers and switches, so I think most people gave up and just lurked, or eventually left. I challenge anyone to go read some of their (still public) threads in the later years and tell me that some of the worse examples - that were not taken down, obviously - constitutes any kind of majority in the Democratic Party, or even of the left overall.

            It was filled with the type that would pounce if you called any of them liberals. They loved to draw some big delineation between themselves and liberals. A distinction, by the way, that almost no one else would agree with, and certainly no one else but the most online of leftists gives a flying fuck about…

            People that, instead of welcoming allies and others joining them in the fight, would rather assign you a list of things to read and groups to join/attend and other tasks as a way to “do the work”, because that’s exactly how you win over people and build a coalition, FFS - give them homework assignments and subject them to purity tests, Jesus.

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    If this is true, then maybe we should start thinking about events that could be held during voting times that would distract these “lower information” voters from voting. Any suggestions for such events?

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      LOL, what paywall? If I hit one, I either prefix it with unwall.app/ or right click and have it search archives… https://archive.ph/st1UJ

      I guess actually trying to use the 'net kinda sucks on things like ios (and I don’t use Android much, but I think the range of browsers and their features there tend to be better), but on the desktop, paywall is not that much of a thing, except for maybe a handful of places, like maybe substack.

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      This should be super obvious by now. I’m not sure what fantasy world all you who think the midterms will turn this around are living. We all knows what happens when you corner a desperate dangerous animal.

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    He’s right in that lower information voters are voters too and need a party that represents them.

    He’s wrong in the implied solution that lying to low information voters and screwing them over is the best way to serve them.

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    There is no such thing as a “low information” voter. Someone who votes because Mars in retrograde is just as legitimate as the vote cast by the head of the dep. of Political Science. The idea that some votes are more legitimate or should count more (or at all), is authoritarianism and anti-democracy.

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      Low information doesn’t mean low value or less value. It just means they are voting without knowing what they are actually for and how it will affect them. For whatever reasons that may be.

      Low information voters are incredibly valuable if you can get them to vote “your way”

      There very much are many low information voters of all stripes, on both sides or thinking they are centrist.

      And they are very, very valuable if you can get them to vote or not vote through throwing out distractions. While their participation or lack of lets your guy win.

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    There is no such thing as a “low information” voter. Someone who votes because Mars in retrograde is just as legitimate as the vote cast by the head of the dep. of Political Science. The idea that some votes are more legitimate or should count more (or at all), is authoritarianism and anti-democracy.

    • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldOP
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      Yeah, we know that their low information vote counts just as much as someone that is informed.

      It doesn’t mean that they don’t exist, though. I’m running across low info voters all the time IRL.