Since Lemmy is federated, and the admins of each instance choose what’s allowed and what’s not in their own instance.
How do you feel about what’s allowed and what’s not in your current instance ?
I’ll start: I’ve read people complaining about my instance admins, but I haven’t experienced nor seen anything I specifically disagree with.
And I’ve read things they wrote that I absolutely agree with, like not federating with Meta under any circumstances.
So for now, I’m happy with it. If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.
I’m not being forced to say this but I love our Communist dictatorship of the proletariat admins. They keep us safe behind our Great Communist Firewall and make sure I only see things that are good for me. I have fun with the slop and treats they give me, everyone here is very happy. There are no fights among our people and we all are always in agreement. No one ever asks for real freedom and my family is never threatened for doubting the actions of our appointed Supreme Leaders. We have temporary bans (which in our language we call “gulag”) that are necessary and only reserved for those who wish to destroy our way of life, which we all equally benefit from and enjoy, so that we remain safe. We all have portraits of PPB in our home and daily recite the TrueAnon Rules. We have reading groups to make us better shitposters and if we do not do the reading we are all publicly reminded of our flaws and failures so that we may improve ourselves in the future. We all cry tears of joy that we no longer must touch grass or logout, we are all terminally online for our own good and for our community. We are very happy and everything is normal and we enjoy higher standards of freedoms than do users on other instances, our strict rules are only there to protect us. I’m not paid or forced to say this and my family is safe, please do not SEND FOR HELP. WE ARE NOT FORCED TO EAT BEANIS AND DRINK PISS TO SURVIVE, WE DO IT BECAUSE WE LOVE IT.
Not bad. The thing with “censorship” is that there are no real “free-speech” instances, all instances have opinions they deem intolerable and thus prune (whether selectively or overtly), and many selectively federate and defederate in a manner that makes one camp of thought more dominant, ie liberalism on Lemmy.world via defederation from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, etc.
Lemmy.ml is quicker to remove comments that break the rules than other instances, but is also more broadly federated and thus gets more points of view than, say, Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world on the other hand is more selective with what it removes, but intentionally defederates from instances with heavy concentrations of Marxists, a more subtle form of “censorship” that ultimately shapes the dominant narratives on its instance.
What this ultimately means is that the answer is to openly admit bias, which exists in everyone, and accept that as a natural consequence of the fediverse model. I wouldn’t go to Lemmy.world if I wanted to know the opinion of Marxists just like I wouldn’t go to Lemmygrad if I wanted to know the opinion of liberals on a subject, this recognition of bias is an intrinsic aspect of the federated model and needs to be openly recognized, otherwise sabre rattling about “censorship” between instances becomes a never-ending source of unconstructive drama.
that there are no real “free-speech” instances,
such spaces fill up with nazis anyway as decent people leave because there are so many nazis around
Absolutely, it’s why “free speech” advocates and “nonviolent activists” indirectly end up supporting the most heinous speech and most violent systems, by defanging any resistance towards injustice, injustice thrives.
I think that the new(ish) conservative community on lemmy.world is the biggest proof positive of this.
I’m happy with Lemmy.ml. I feel like moderation is taken seriously here and that is a very good thing. I don’t care for “free speech” that provides a platform for immoral points of view. For example, I do not need to consider the opinions of racists or Nazis. I’ve heard them plenty and there is no redeeming value in their speech. It is a settled debate. Anyone who doesn’t understand that deserves your suspicion.
Also on .ml and agree. Nazi shit on an instance makes it unusable as far as I’m concerned.
The only thing I want to know about nazis is how far away they are so I can adjust my aim.
.ml rocks. I know people are upset when tankies post walls of text but it’s their space to. I just wish they could live how they want, same as I do. Even if we want very different things in life. Want some get some.
You don’t have to craft a PhD dissertation any time they reply to you. Just move on to the next shit post. Some feel obligated, and that’s your perogative. I have to many part time jobs to reply to everyone here.
I find, it’s useful to piss off the nazis. For example, lemmy.ml has a word filter, which has hardly an impact on anything. But the free-speech absolutists who want to be allowed to say that we should murder ethnic groups of people, because they think that’s an opinion, they see that as censorship, so they don’t care to join here.
I feel OK about it, for the most part. I can say "genocide is always wrong" and not get banned here.
Scientists working to end West Nile virus by eliminating mosquitos ability to reproduce.
Until you get specific
I like hexbear.
Modding is a tough row to how.
Yeah they might not always get everything right but I’d rather have an overactive mod team than an under active (useless) mod team especially when it’s all done for free
Yea tends to happen when you are in a bubble and the admins strongly enforce said bubble.
That’s not an accurate way to view Hexbear. Hexbear is very explicitly for Marxists and Anarchists, but the vast majority of users live in areas where those are fringe viewpoints. Hexbear allows people to talk to other like-minded leftists without having to constsntly deal with people hostile to Anarchism and/or Marxism, which is the default in their lives.
A more accurate “bubble” would be instances that uphold ideologies aligned with the status quo in my opinion, as it minimizes exposure to other viewpoints.
I dont care that they talk to each other that way. What anoys me about hexbear is the way they treat other people that just want to have a converation with them. Any other opinion gets banned instantly, even if it comes from a person that just wants to discuss a topic open minded.
That’s not my experience. Most people that are genuinely open minded are welcomed, but debatelording and getting emotionally vicious gets banned quickly because Hexbear is for leftists to hang out, not (generally) debating.
Debating in general isn’t constructive unless both parties are aligned in goals and seek alignment and alliance.
.ml here, I’m happy with this community. I know the reputation it has, but honestly, I haven’t really seen it. I’m a hardcore leftist, but I’ve been very critical of China, Russia, etc. And I’m not a tankie. Obviously haven’t been banned or had my comments removed.
The mods here seem quite reasonable, and of course if folks don’t agree, there are a lot of other instances.
I used to be a free-speech absolutist when I was young, but then I realized that there isn’t such a thing. Even the few places online that pride themselves on having “no censorship” like 4-chan still have a handful of things that they don’t allow.
Quite frankly, I think those places are pretty nasty overall and I have no desire to emulate them. Racists, Pedos, lgbt-phobes don’t need a platform or to have their opinions elevated or taken seriously.
I wouldn’t think a top university’s physics department is improved by devoting classes and curriculum to flat earth or 7-day creationism. Likewise, I don’t think a forum or server is made better by allowing racists and bigots to have a safe space on it.
Of course, you have to decide what crosses the line, but welcome to real life. There’s a difference between a hardcore neo-nazi who thinks Jews and black folks are literal sub-humans, and your 87 year-old grandpa who unironically calls the employees at his favorite asian buffet, “Chinamen.”
I haven’t really had any bad experiences with .ml communities or users. I consider myself a Marxist actually. I mostly saw the China, Russia, and North Korean dick sucking on Reddit. I remember someone on Reddit actually arguing that leftists should use Redstar OS (North Korean Linux distro designed to spy on its users) because its made by a socialist country that cares about its people. Guess that’s why they’re executed for stealing bread. I’m sorry about your instances bad reputation, I really haven’t seen it. Besides, there are assholes in every community.
In general communities it’s ok here but in global events it’s easy to see in the modlog that certain topics which are not favorable for Socialist-In-Name-Only are hidden very fast.
I haven’t checked the log, but I get my news from several different sources, Lemmy is only one of them.
I love that lemm.ee is federated with everyone, because that means I frequently encounter ideas that I - gasp - disagree with!
Not only that, but Lemmy gives us a decent amount of control over our own curation, at the user level. We’re from the same instance, but our feeds could be totally opposite each other dependant on who/what we choose to filter/block.
It’s one of my favorite things about this platform, and I feel like .ee’s ethos really works alongside it.
Yea Im pretty happy with lemm.ee too. Great instance great (former) admin/founder. Great admin team un general. Could not be happier
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I think there’s a huge difference between seeing opposing ideas and just seeing a bunch of propaganda and brigading.1
That’s a bit of an interesting dillema. Anyone that supports something consistently is doing propaganda, so it’s generally better if people reveal their biases. As for brigading, it’s difficult to tell if there’s just a large group of an ideologically different instance coming across a post in their all feed or of its a concerted effort.
I’m on world. Fuck the admins of world.
“Censorship” has become a buzzword and lost all of its meaning
hell yeah brother 1,000,000 banned reactionaries and transphobes
o7
I’m on lemmy.one which has disabled downvoting. If I had known in advance I would have picked another instance. Unfortunately, Lemmy doesn’t have a mechanism to transfer your account to another instance yet.
Disabling down votes is good actually because it forces people to engage and not just down vote and move on.
but sometimes i just want to be passive aggressive
That doesn’t really work if people from other instances do get to downvote.
What do you mean? Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes and people constantly complain about getting ratio’d by us. If an instance doesn’t offer downvotes it completely blocks downvotes from being recorded, it doesn’t leave you at the mercy of other’s downvotes.
My instance has been really good, with some hiccups, but I also appreciate that it doesn’t rampantly defederate (to my knowledge) because while I can handle a more overbearing moderation staff I like being able to see other instances and appreciate the dialogue going on in them.
I have encountered very little if any at all
From what I’ve read, in our instance, it’s being critical of China that gets you banned.
But I don’t know how much of that is people being straight-up racist/xenophobic and then conflating it with being critical.
It’s the second IME. We talk all the time about our concerns with the CPC, our hopes and disappointments with their foreign policy, and our thoughts on their political/economic situation. Critically discussing China is pretty much half of what we do in the news comm.
The people who say “I was banned just for being critical of China” never seem to want to specify what those criticisms were, but every time you go looking through the modlog you find the same shit: Commie hivemind spy balloon Winnie the Pooh uyhgur tinyman square. It’s like going up to some people talking about Korea and saying “don’t you weirdos know that they eat rats and push the trains by hand”? It’s not just the propaganda that gets them banned; everyone starts out full of propaganda, and most people here will paitently clarify things for you if you ask. No, it’s the smug doubling and tripling-down on ignorance at every turn that gets them the boot. Then they run back to their home instance to tell the story of how the tankies murdered them, and the mythology builds.
Americans are so heavily inundated with anti Chinese propaganda that they consider not being rabidly against China to be blind allegiance to the CPC.
Example of someone being banned from Hexbear pretty much for saying “somehting is going on with the Uyghurs” – https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13910
Why don’t you try saying something critical of China but not racist, and see if it gets removed?
Why don’t you try saying something critical of China but not racist, and see if it gets removed?
Me? Sure.
The Tianamen Square Massacre was shameful.
It sure was, those American backed separatists that stole military weapons should be ashamed of themselves for killing that many people before the army could respond.
You guys are so obsessed with America.
Stop trying to be the centre of the world for five minutes.
No but literally the CIA infiltrated the college at the square, lead the assault, and provided the weapons.
And look at that, it didn’t get removed
Lemmy.ml does censor a lot of profanity, but other than that it doesn’t seem any more or less overtly heavyhanded on censorship than other instances.
That being said, I suppose self-censorship among the community is another factor to consider as well, as I’ve seen a lot of instances purge their own versions of wrongthink depending on which mod is on a power trip.
Yeah the profanity censorship can be a bit weird but its nice that I don’t see slurs
I’ve been thinking about switching over to lemmy.today as it’s not currently defederated with anyone, so I can decide who to block and keep for myself. It’s based in Oregon, and I like the idea of joining an instance close to me. I do worry about Lemmy.world being so overly dominate in the federated-lemmy-space.
But many of the communities that I participate in are lemmy.world, and it’s nice that they send me an automated notice whenever a post/comment of mine is removed. I’ve already subscribed to many communities and would have to do that all over again. and I haven’t thought of a creative new username.
