3 is as you said, too many. The party should be tarred and feathered because of many things, including their support of the genocide in Palestine and Cuba, and the fact that billionaires own the Democrats. A working class solution is needed.

I’m always optimistic, I just base my optimism around the actuality of revolution. The fact that Democrats won the midterms doesn’t suddenly fix the problems with capitalism that have led the US to this point to begin with, nor can it. The Democrats are nearly as unpopular as the Republicans are with the people. Socialism is still necessary, which still requires revolution.

Neither Cuba nor Palestine will be free from the genocide inflicted upon them from the US. This midterm cycle, many anti-trans Democrats won seats, and the party is shifting away from supporting the LGBTQIA+ community. The state and economy will continue to be dominated by billionaires, and the people will still go without.

We must never lose sight of the fact that revolution is not only necessary, but actually possible, and it requires a mass revolutionary socialist party and mass class consciousness, coupled with a crisis in the capitalist class. The first two are directly in our control. Get organized.

Since I already explained both that revolutions cannot simply be willed into existence, and instead require a mass socialist party and mass class consciousness as prerequisite, I am doing what needs to be done for revolution. If you’re behind me, why don’t you join up as well?

The state already considers me a domestic terrorist for being a socialist, I owe “the Republic” jack shit. I want an end to the US Empire, not a perpetuation of it and the genocide it brings to the people of Cuba, Palestine, and the indigenous nations of the north American continent.

Genuine question, do you think commenting in this manner helps convince people of your own views, or better legitimize mine? I offer an olive branch every single time, and you usually refuse to take it. You aren’t even linking BBC/Wikipedia/etc, you’re just outright refusing. Is it for self-satisfaction, or do you genuinely think this helps convince either myself or onlookers?

Can you elaborate, or are you just trying to vaguepost?

Both parties are representatives of the capitalist class. They differ in terms of which wings of the capitalist class they are bought by, not which workers they support, because neither supports workers. A whole new system is necessary, a socialist one, and neither party will bring that.

The system isn’t corrupt, it’s working for the same group it always has: the capitalist class. There has never been a point that this has not been true. Perhaps for a short period during reconstruction, before that got taken over and destroyed.

Okay, but that’s not what I said. I said that you cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class. That would require fundamentally transforming the entire system into socialism, which cannot be done through the capitalist system itself, nor through a party that has evolved over the centuries to be in lock-step with billionaires, just as the GOP has. They represent different wings of billionaires, but billionaires nevertheless.

Neither party is salvageable, they both serve billionaires and billionaires alone. You cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class.

China has a far more comprehensive and integrated democratic system than the US does, based on popular councils and mass participation. See Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance by professor Roland Boer. This is, in my opinion, a much better democratic system than one that limits the participation of the majority to merely picking between which wing of the capitalist class will dictate how society goes. Do you have an actual argument against this, or do you just have a gut reaction based on vibes?

Have you actually looked into how socialist countries govern, before? Like, seriously looked at it? And seriously looked at what socialists propose we replace capitalism with?

How is a system based on popular councils and mass participation at all levels of government going to make everything worse? What do you think socialists are advocating for in terms of democracy?

Socialists support socialist states, where your vote actually matters far more than picking which capitalists get to terrorize immigrants, send Israel weapons, and exploit the working class. Cuba, for example, has committees at the neighborhood level that are consulted for deciding policy, which resulted in the world’s most progressive family code getting passed.

I’m sorry but I’m not a capitalist, whoever wins the election will continue the genocides in Palestine and Cuba, will continue the attacks around the world, will perpetuate a failing capitalist system that does not and cannot meet the needs of the people, that will not respect treaties with indigenous nations, and will not represent the working class. Elections matter most of all to the ruling class, as it picks which wing of the capitalist class will get to rule, not whether workers benefit or not.

As for socialists not rising to the level of enemy, the capitalist state certainly seems to disagree with you.

I don’t think the idea that certain wings of the capitalist class coalesce around different capitalist parties and therefore invest in elections heavily is antagonistic to the idea that neither party represents the interests of the working class. Capitalists are not a monolith, so they duke it out electorally, but workers end up getting crumbs at most regardless of who wins at the ballot box. It makes far more of a difference for them than it does for us.

Also think it’s funny that socialists supposedly can’t read, while also reading too much. “The enemy is both weak and strong,” yadda yadda.

I just said that people can make memes organically responding to drama started inorganically. The idea that absolutely no institutional play was involved is silly, considering the level of public attention up to and including Netanyahu’s mouth at the UN. Take off the tinfoil hat and touch some grass.

How on Earth am I arguing in bad faith? What do tanks have to do with Hasan?

People can willingly and unknowingly participate in psyops by being influenced, yes.

Hasan can do wrong, he’s a reformist and in many ways a liberal, rather than a socialist. Him being attacked and slandered as a threat to establishment Democrats is not up for debate.

Yep, it was deliberate as a smear campaign.