Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is “absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”

Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president’s action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, “The President’s disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”

On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump’s side and wrote on X, “As I’ve long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”

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    If literally anyone thinks “it’s okay that Trump bombed Iran, it was the right move”…

    Then couldnt you just argue that “if it was such an obviously right move, wouldn’t it have been easy to get congress to approve it?”

    It’s illogical to on one hand say it was the right thing to do, while ignoring the fact he did it without approval.

    If it was so right, then approval would’ve been easy to get…?

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    Only a rag would quote Fetterman and credit him as a Democrat. He doesn’t act or believe what he did when he was elected as a Democrat, his perspective is irrelevant.

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      I’ve watched Fetterman’s 180 from across the pond. Don’t really understand what happened and what made him flip.

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          So, I like this idea, and the recent expose indicates that the stroke has essentially rendered him non compis mentis, but do you really think the brain damage turned him conservative? Were there no red flags before? I genuinely don’t know enough about the guy.

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            There were definitely red flags before, it’s just that people ignored them because he was better than Dr. Oz. There’s a good Some More News video that goes into it.

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          Stop spreading that. It’s not true.
          Fetterman was a shitty mayor before his current office. He chased after a blackman with a shotgun because the guy was simply jogging in his neighborhood. He vandalized local business in the middle of the night that he didn’t like.

          He firmly stated he was not progressive during his run for office. The Republicans labeled him a progressive librel to try and smear him. He was never progressive, ever. The stroke did not change his views. He is and always was a slimy politician .

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        They took him into a room and said “hey, do you want a mountain of legal bribes? If not, we will primary you with that same mountain”

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    clearly grounds for impeachment

    …add it to the pile, I guess.

    But considering that impeachment is a legal process and that the current administration has zero respect for or inclination to follow the law, it’s not like it’ll accomplish shit. Dude needs to be deposed by those who have sworn to defend the constitution from domestic threats (the military) not run through some formal process.

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      Impeachment is specifically NOT a legal process but a political one. Trump’s second impeachment acquittal was based on impeachment being a political process, and that the criminal justice system was the correct venue for J6.

      That’s also why the Justice department policy on not charging a sitting president and the SCOTUS ruling that Presidents are immune from prosecution are bullshit.

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        I mean, in practice, I guess yeah. On paper, it’s initiated by a political process, but ultimately it’s a criminal investigation. The acquittal was due to the process being wrongfully politicized. In a system that actually followed its own rules, he’d have been indicted and imprisoned for the crimes he’s committed against the US.

        The system we have will, at best, put on a dog-and-pony show, call it “impeachment”, and try to pass that off as actual justice like it did last time.

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    he’s been impeached. what’s another one gonna do except distract everyone while he continues to war?

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      IMO this is business as usual thinking.

      The left needs to push for a vote to get Congress on the record where they stand.

      And even if it doesn’t pass, getting some Republicans to vote yes would be a big win and a first step towards checking TACO.

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    Keep screaming impeachment when clearly that doesn’t work…he belongs in jail ya know for being a 34 count felon rapist seditionous traitor.

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          Those with the authority to do their jobs and jail trump willfully abdicated their responsibility to do so. Yeah, there absolutely is a subset of this population aggressively driving us toward an oligarchy and authoritarian kleptocracy, but the majority of American citizens would prefer to see the law upheld. We don’t want a three-tiered legal system, the bottom jails first and throws away the key, the middle bleeds you dry with legal costs, and the top has no rules or consequences.

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          Don’t bunch us all up with the government. The government is ok with it being a shit show. Many voted against it. Many of us don’t agree.

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          Assuming the election wasn’t hacked, yeah…

          I have my doubts about the election (and I’m a big data engineer with a cyber security cert)

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      traitor

      Yeah, that’s the problem with Trump, he’s not a loyal patriot…

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    Every day the Criminal in Chief commits impeachable crimes. Every. Day.

    This is just the latest. But Congress is currently packed with illegitimate, undemocratically placed criminal cronies who face no accountability while shielding their criminal collaborators from accountability. So here we are.

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      To get him removed from office, you have to first get the House to vote (50%) to Impeach him. That is actually doable. But then the Senate has to hold a trial and somehow get 67 senators to vote to convict him. That would take every Dem and Independent and something like 20 Republicans to vote to convict. I agree with you, but I don’t see that happening.

      The only other way is by using the 25th Amendment which says, in part:

      Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

      Vance and all of Trump’s appointed toadies would have to send a letter to the House and Senate saying Trump in not capable of being president. And even if, by some miracle that happened, the next step is for Congress to hold votes in both the House and the Senate needing two-thirds of both houses to declare that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Even if they somehow pulled that off in the House, it would still take 18 or 20 Republican senators to cross over and vote him out.

      I just don’t see any legislative way out of this. The Republicans in the House and Senate are simply not going to let it happen. They have too much power and no morals.

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          I don’t disagree. If nothing else, it forces Republicans in the House and maybe even the Senate to go on record supporting Trump’s crimes, so that maybe in the midterms we can take away their domination in Congress, but it is not the real solution. This administration is the GOP’s recurring wet dream for the last 40 years. They will do anything to keep Trump in office.

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      Impeachment is how you do that…

      The house brings articles of impeachment, and term it’s up to the Senate to decide whether or not the president should be convicted, and thus removed from office

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        There’s another way, a more powerful way. But I don’t think the U. S. people has the resolve to do what their founding fathers did.

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          The US founding fathers never overthrew their leader. They just stopped answering the mail of a guy on the other side of the Atlantic.

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    Israel is quite literally the world’s biggest terrorist nation state. The paper thin transparent spin tactics of Israel’s defenders would be amusing if the results of its terrorism wasn’t so horrifying.

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    I don’t disagree that bombing Iran puts us at risk of starting a war we don’t want to be involved in. However I think the public is too split on the matter to put majority support behind impeachment.

    Conservative circles themselves appear divided with some saying the display of force was necessary and avoided direct conflict (minimizing operational costs), some saying the President is authorized to conduct these actions under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, and some voicing dissent or disapproval altogether of this action.

    The War Powers Resolution will probably be the loophole that conservative outlets use to claim that Trump has done nothing wrong. I don’t know if there’s been an exercise of this authority without congressional approval that has lead to the targeted country declaring war as a result. If this were to happen, maybe there will be clear grounds to impeach, but I don’t think the public will display a majority support for it to happen.

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      I agree that for practical purposes there is not the support for impeachment. But I do think that every unconstitutional thing he does should be called out with the simple but direct message that ‘impeachment and removal is the only remedy to a corrupt and unconstitutional POTUS’. We should say that over and over and over so that takes on its own meaning and the public is ready for it when sentiment inevitably brings us to the point it is actually possible.

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    One of like 1000 things he’s done in the last few months that was either illegal, unconstitutional, “grounds for impeachment”, or corrupt. 🥱

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      What are the 999 things he’s done that are illegal, unconstitutional, corrupt or grounds for impeachment in the last few months?

      Seriously, one would think with a file that big, collectivists would have reacted in some way, wouldn’t they?

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        Just an FYI, there is a tracker of current legal cases against the trump admin (over 280 right now), and this doesn’t include much of the daily illegal stuff he does (like this recent attack on another country).

        The tracker also doesn’t cover stuff like his scam phone, scam crypto, scam <insert any of the stuff he’s selling>, threats of annexation of other countries, using the white house to sell teslas, arresting people he dislikes, and so on.

        There’s probably more than a 1000, now that I think about it. And this is all just from the beginning of the year. If you include his previous term, you could easily add a few hundred more. 🫢

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            I’m sure if I was paid enough to spend weeks compiling a list, I’d do it.

            But what would that change for you? If you need more than the nearly 300 that are already filed in court (so far), then you probably won’t be satisfied with a list of 1000, or 10,000.

            Just observe the things he does, and ask yourself whether it’s legal, unconstitutional, corrupt, or grounds for impeachment. You can add in unethical (but not illegal), if you like, but that would be like beating a dead horse.

            For example, just a few hours ago, he posted about getting a “bum” out of office. That “bum”? A republican congressman who did not agree with the illegal act of bombing Iran. Firing someone for not agreeing with you breaking the law and oath to the constitution isn’t how a democratic country operates.

            You can find countless examples of this, on a daily basis.