• dhork@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Sounds like Congress needs to ask her why she lied to them in the first place. Alas, they will not, because she is already playing the “Fake News” card.

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      I think a lot of people are going to be surprised…

      Personally, I don’t know why, because it’s obvious Russia needs Iran for Ukraine.

      But Putin isn’t going to let trump attack Iran.

      And it’s already causing the people Putin makes support trump, start going against him.

      I don’t want to link an actual tucker Carlson video, so here’s some people talking about his interview with Rafael Cruz:

      https://youtu.be/yQEd-ECAwDU?t=1140

      It tucker is breaking from trump over this, a lot more rightwing media is going to as well

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      I don’t think the majority of Americans bought the DMW bullshit back then either, but the war happened anyways because those in power wanted/let it happen. The people didn’t have a say in it.

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        I don’t know about a majority, but I lived through that as a young adult and I’d believe it if at least 51% of the US population bought the Iraq WMD crap. Colin Powell was a well respected military leader and political moderate and he cashed in all of his influence to sell the lies to Congress and the population.

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        Iran’s actions seem to stem more from their close relationship with the east. Most western allied states de-escelated or gave up nuclear capabilities, such as Ukraine.

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          Ukraine did it under the promise that US will protect them.

          trump proved the world that relying on the US is a stupid ass idea and that nukes are more valuable than American promises

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            Counterpoint: Nukes are not providing Iran or North Korea any value. In fact it may very well be the justification for why they get wiped off the map.

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              counter counter point, no one dares wipe off North Korea,

              because US wiping north Korea means the end of LA.

              are you aware of MAD?

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                Does it sound like a manchild like Trump cares about MAD? We’re on the precipice of a forever war, world war 3, or possibly even total annihilation of life on earth and you’re sitting there saying everything is great because hyper aggressive nations have nukes.

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              Counterpoint: if it wasn’t nukes, there’d be some other justification. The alleged Iraqi WMD were never found, so basically we toppled their government (not that I’m exactly shedding tears over Saddam, but ISIS wasn’t great either), got a bunch of people killed, and blew two trillion dollars out of our ass for ???.

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                The alleged Iraqi WMD were never found but the CIA did present Aluminium tubes intel to congress at that time.

                To be clear, I am not saying Iran could have avoided being attacked or that they should appeal to the USA, far from it. What they need to do is disarm nuclear research and tech in return for the ability to hide behind other NATO members and the EU, as opposed to taking offers from Russia and China which assuredly will not end well.

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                  Nah, how about the US just stop finding excuses to throw away trillions of dollars getting people killed overseas for no reason.

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              North Korea has nukes and it never gets invaded and gets aid sent to it. Iran doesn’t have nukes and it is regularly attacked.

              I’d say their presence adds very clear value to the example country that actually has them.

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                North Korea is surrounded by allied China on one side and proper democracies on the other, but has come close to war many times such as when they bombed an inter-korean liaison office in 2020.

                I will repeat that the justification being used to attack Iran is Nuclear Weapons. It is not protecting them, it is the reason they are being attacked, and it also directly benefits hostile dictatorship Russia because they’re willing providers of nuclear weapons. Iran is being Grifted.

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                  You keep writing like they have them and thats why they are being attacked. Its specifically because they dont yet have them that they are being attacked. If they already had them like North Korea, their situation would be more similar. I doubt people would be bombing them, in the same way people aren’t bombing North Korea despite it acting very hostile and making direct threats.

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      my theory is they they aren’t “people”.

      they are mouthpieces of an institution. replaceable, and chosen for their bootlicking. if it wasn’t her, they would have chosen another puppet. same thing with CEOs, corporate goons, and most politicians.

      if they were honest and had actual beliefs they’ll have extraordinary resistance, if they even get a chance to speak.

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    Just like with Putin’s stooges, the grovelling and the self humiliation is the point.

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    ‘Could’ vs ‘are’.

    They may not have been, but they could if they wanted to, supposedly.

    Now, if they didnt before, they certainly have the motivation and arguably the justification.

    I certainly wouldn’t blame them for seeking out nuclear weapons now.

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      Bullshit, some things happen on day one!!! Like the ending of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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      i remember her trying to pander to the Bernie crowd after he “lost” the primaries in 2016. it was the first time I heard of her and some articles were treating it as if she was going to take Bernie’s torch.

      She was right when she was talking about Bernie’s healthcare and socialism liteish, but it was more of a broken clock

      so, she’s a complete grifter, trying to get ahead without any principles.

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        she’s a complete grifter politician, trying to get ahead without any principles.