Being cordial with them is fine, working with them to protest right now is fine.
But let’s not forget that they are at best temporary allies. That don’t actually share any values, they’re just upset that the administration isn’t hurting the right people.
There will be a scant few that truly not vote for a Republican and that’s about the best you can expect, be prepared that they continue to vote hard R in the end.
They’re the “independents”… they’ll vote for whoever comes along and tells them what they want to hear and they’ll not investigate further.
This is why Bernie got so close. Trump’s messaging is cathartic for them. “We’re gonna get the guys who did this to you!” Trump yells, standing behind the guys that did this to them.
Bernie’s messaging was “Shit has been bad for a long time. Let’s fix it. Tell me your problem and we’ll work something out. The rich fucked you over. We’re gonna make them pay taxes.”
Dems if they want to stay one party, need to find that messaging again. Hell Dwight D Eisenhower could get elected as a dem these days.
Shit’s fucked.
Shouldn’t be turning people away that are apologetic, but don’t think the path to victory lies there. All the people that are sitting out elections are the ones that should be targeted. So few of eligible voters are actually doing so.
That’s fantastic. This encourages taking personal responsibility over their action. I think it’s important to allow people to learn and grow, without the shame. Shame keeps people locked into their false beliefs. The more apologetics we have, the faster change will come. With that said, don’t forget these people. They still have fucked up beleifs.
Fucked up beliefs that are rooted in fear of losing what little they have. The class war affects them as much as us, and the more people who realize it, the more well equipped for revolution they’ll be
I agree.
I feel that on our end, it’s going to be more important than ever that it’s not just what we say but how we say it that will actually change how those who voted for Trump will feel.
People are capable of self reflection, but if you don’t believe it then you’re helping them to have no shot at it.I have learned that people tend fulfill my expectations of them, so if i want them to do better i have to genuinely expect better of them and treat them with utmost compassion when they miss the mark
not hating misled trump voters is actually a really good idea and more people need to try it
not saying that the actually insane ones arent worth hating, but some people are just maga bc everyone they know is
Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.
Be the change you want to see.
Edit: I mean it as a challenge to the rest of us
Always words to live by
Yall maybe forgiving but not i any and all Trump voters are traitors. Because you cannot stand there and listen to this man commit sedition
Say shit like “i have a concept of a plan”
And still slap knee “gosh darn it that is the man I must vote for president what a patriot!”
Fuck that. Cowards all of them. Every single one in gov. And every single voter.
Remember the women who slept with Nazis and after the war? That’s Trump supporters.
If they’re genuinely apologetic and recognize they made a terrible choice, then yes… Welcome back to reality.
Appologetic is the key word. There needs to be accountability, not even for a sake of justice or anything, but just due to the fact that they need to have learned a lesson to be an ally of the cause, and not just an eventual traitor.
Instead of “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”,
It’s “as long as you’re against them, you can be with us.”
And frankly, that’s what we need right now.
First past the post voting is fucking garbage but this is how you’re supposed to engage it; it’s NEVER EVER EVER EVER going to be good for supporting the lesser of two evils.
Instead, the best thing it can ever do is punish the greater evil
And these are VERY DIFFERENT GOALS.
If people were voting to punish the Trump campaign, Kamala would have won.
Notably, people very much voted to punish Kamala instead. Even the ones on the left. And boy did we show her -_- now we ALL get to suffer.
As much as it’s fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey. We need to make it easy to leave the cult and not make people double down just because they feel ashamed or feel like they have to defend something. The goal, while enticing, is not to rub people’s nose in the shit they admittedly helped create. The goal should be to get rid of this motherfucker and reverse everything he’s done.
So you still believe voting can fix this?
I agree with you but put out some honey next to some balsamic vinegar sometime and see which one pulls more flies.
As much as it’s fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey.
How much more honey are you going to steal from the left and give to your buddies on the right?
And when these trump voters vote for republicans again, democrats will blame the left. Again.
Seems to be a division here based on the (ex)Trumpanzee’s sincerity vs not.
My thought is who gives a shit if they’re sincere? The goal isn’t to convert them, it’s to defeat Trump and people like Trump - if a former Trump voter can be used against him, I have no issues at all with at least pretending to accept that that person is having an authentic denazification. Whether or not they’re truly capable of self reflection is kinda moot
Hope the feral and heavily armed ones turn on him
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No we don’t. MAGAts are fucking stupid. They knew what they voted for and got EXACTLY what they were told they were voting for.
This sort of delusional and aggressive thinking just drives division.
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
Yes, and that’s childish and fucking moronic. Do better. I’m admittedly one to over-prepare in general, but I genuinely cannot comprehend why anyone would CHOOSE to not know anything about what they’re voting for. “Oh, I don’t like following politics”. Well, tough shit dumbass; I don’t like feeling like I’m stuck in the geopolitical equivalent of a high school group project with the asshole jock who can’t be arsed to do his portion of the fucking presentation but here we fucking are.
The situation is dire enough that no, I’m not saying we should turn these folks away. We need all the help we can get. But I’ll be lying to them when I tell them I forgive them. I don’t think I ever truly will.
This isn’t partisan, you’re fighting human nature here. Most people aren’t that politically engaged. How many people were surprised Biden wasn’t on the ballot?
Most people aren’t following politics, they follow a vibe that they think about every few years and then go on not worrying about. Things have to get really bad before the average person thinks critically about their political representation beyond sports tribalism.
Every convert is +2, don’t disincentivize that.
I’m not trying to disincentivize that, I’m being honest about it in a forum where it’s highly unlikely they’re gonna read it. How many regretful Trump voters who voted that way because they don’t pay attention do you think hang out in politics threads on lemmy? I’m not gonna turn any away if I run into one in real life but if I’m being sincere, I’m also never gonna be able to fully trust them.
The dude instigated 1-6. He is a felon. The economy has nothing to do with it.
Not sure if you skipped my comment or you’re willfully ignorant
It probably wasn’t worth the notice, nor will it ever be now. You’re blocked.
It’s never to late to do the right thing.
