Summary
Sheryl Crow announced on Instagram that she is selling her Tesla and donating the proceeds to NPR, citing concerns over Elon Musk’s leadership.
NPR is under political scrutiny, with Republican lawmakers and FCC Chairman Brendan Carr launching investigations.
Crow’s move is a protest against Musk’s influence in government and Trump’s efforts to defund public media.
Who would buy a Tesla now, especially a used one.
For the MAGA heads who still like Musk, a Tesla does not roll coal enough. For those who would buy an EV, Tesla is a burned brand.
This binary view is neat and tidy but wrong. There are a lot of enthusiasts for whom a Tesla is still a desirable car both for capabilities as well as status. I would not be surprised to see its sales keep dropping, but reports of its death are all gonna be premature.
As far as a used Tesla, once we agree that a market for Teslas still exists, then that’s all dependent on the price.
Hmmm not sure, demnd has already dropped dramatically. As I understand it, vurrent sales levels would desimate the company, let alobe justify the hyper inflated stock
Any further drop in sales will just accelerte the crash
Partly true. Demand will persist but had already changed drastically. EV/fast car enthusiast niche now has much more exciting alternatives, like used porsche macans or BMW i4s. The people who don’t care what they drive as long as its cheap is the future market of Tesla, and they’ll easily survive the drop in their profit margins. After all, the Model 3/Y were designed to be <$30K cars (AFAIR they cost like $23K to make?!).
The first signs of Musk being a bit fraudulent is how he marketed “full self-driving” in the meantime, the transition to “vision-only” (i.e., removal of ultrasonic sensors) really sealed the fate of FSD but is also totally on brand for musk: the willingness to compromise safety further by removing sensor redundancy to maximize profits.
I know people like to harp on the self-driving promises, but the technology not fraud at all, except for the promises of how soon it will be self-driving. The early adopters especially must feel taken advantage of, paying for lifetime self driving that was only for as long as they owned the car and never appeared.
Anyhow, I still think it’s a valid approach to attempt. We don’t know what approach will succeed until one does, and Teslas approach does have advantages. Cameras are cheap sensors now, that can easily blend as part of a car, and humans do succeed in driving based only on sight. Now it’s a software problem - will we be able to create an ai that can drive? I don’t know, but I don’t see other approaches doing any better, and that’s with much more expensive and ugly hardware.
Until someone succeeds in creating a self-driving vehicle, I’m encouraged that we’re not all jumping into the same hole that may or may not succeed. Let them try something different, and we have a better chance of something working
We couldn’t disagree more.:D
I know people like to harp on the self-driving promises…
“FSD” almost got me into a major accident. It had a tendency to ride in cars’ blind spots and when someone cut me off I didn’t only make an evasive maneuver but also fight “FSD” which locked the steering and did not brake.
…the technology not fraud at all, except for the promises of how soon it will be self-driving.
So the “idea of the technology” is not fraud, only the presentation, the selling, and the delivery of it. So like everything that is currently available:D
Cameras are cheap sensors now
You know what else are cheap sensors. Actual sensors. FFS they had a >$20K profit margin on each car but they saved $100 on sensors
and humans do succeed in driving based only on sight.
This is so disturbingly incorrect. We rely a LOT on our hearing, our vibration sense, our proprioception too. Have you tried driving with earplugs? It’s pretty dangerous
Now it’s a software problem - will we be able to create an ai that can drive?
It’s a safety issue. For any safety-critical system you apply redundancy.
I don’t know, but I don’t see other approaches doing any better, and that’s with much more expensive and ugly hardware.
Mercedes and GM have much better autonomous driving systems than Tesla, they just don’t market it as “”“FULL self-driving”“”. The fact that you’re unaware shows how incredibly effective tesla’s misleading marketing had been.
we’re not all jumping into the same hole that may or may not succeed.
It will succeed, but eliminating safety measures in half-baked technology will claim lives. And nowhere did I say self-driving can’t work, I’m saying that it won’t work within the product’s lifetime and eliminating redundant sensor data will make the process a lot more unsafe.
Let them try something different, and we have a better chance of something working
Again other companies are already ahead of tesla without the bullshitting involved.
If it was within my budget I would buy a used Tesla. They’re pretty decent cars. The idea that your car should communicate your values or identity is Bourgeois ideology that I fully reject.
Are they decent? They have a high failure rate and as a used vehicle you’re likely going to need to drop 20k to replace the dying battery.
I don’t know, that might be true. Certainly at some price it becomes a good deal.
When you look at the number of recalls they are doing, I wonder where your “pretty decent” rating comes from.
Idk I haven’t been paying much attention I’ve only heard about the cyber truck specifically having issues
Word. I donated to my local NPR stations. Will do so again.
Fuck musk. Fuck trump. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
Great idea. Think I’ll donate to the local NPR now. BRB
Kick ass.
And delete xitter. Might want to think about getting off Instagram, too. Cuckerberg is no better.
Cuckerberg is no better
Really? Musk is busy right now purging minorities from government agencies. What exactly did Zuck did that makes it “no better” than that?
He purged millions of minority votes too
I used to want a Tesla so bad. Now it just doesn’t seem right.
Now, every time I see a tesla, I assume it’s a white supremacist driving it.
What do you think when you see cars from VW, Benz, BMW, Ford (especially considering Henry Ford’s anti-Semitic views), GM (Opel), Fiat, or when you notice tires from Goodyear, Firestone, or Pirelli?
It’s worth noting that many big Japanese companies like Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Yokohama, and Datsun (Nissan) also supported Imperial Japan during the war.
All of these companies had some level of involvement with the Nazis or the Axis powers in World War II.
As for Tesla, many owners bought their cars before all the controversies surrounding Elon Musk became mainstream. I get the criticism directed at him, and as a Tesla owner myself (I bought mine used before things got really wild), I’ve even thought about removing the Tesla logo from my car.
I’m just not sure if that viewpoint is entirely fair.
I regularly see the same three on the motorway, I appreciate selling a car has costs, but owning one of them also has costs.
Same… In the early 2010’s they seemed like a dream.
Today, if I got one for free I’d sell it. If I couldn’t sell it, I’d set it on fire. I don’t consort with Nazi’s.
What makes Rivian objectionable? I’m not arguing - I’m genuinely ignorant of any issue, at least morally or politically, with them.
You uh gonna say anything here about volkswagen?
Want mine…? 😞
The hacking scene just doesn’t feel mature enough yet for it to outweigh the virtues it sends.
Same!
But if I had a house, I’d be saving up for a Rivian right now. Theyre much more inline with what I want as a product.
Same but when the time came for a new car a couple years back and despite preferring a sedan, my partner and I decided to go with another manufacturer. At the time, Musk was still a POS but it was more because Tesla’s QA was questionable. Now that Musk is a full blown Nazi it gives me an excuse to swear off any company he profits from.
It is not about aligning yourself with anything, it is about doing the right thing for the right reasons for the benefit of our community and neighbors. Personally I wish she’d dismantle and sell it for scrap and donate those proceeds.
Sold my Tesla and don’t miss it at all. I can’t imagine still driving it now. Just wish I never purchased it in the first place but I honestly didn’t know what I was supporting at the time.
Yeah what did you replace it with? Are you back to birding Fossil fuels and fucking the planet just to say fuck you elon? Pretty counter productive if you did.
Never a good idea to partner with nazis over the long term.
She did a duet with Kid Rock. I am cautiously optimistic. Is she actually not a right winger anymore or is she just tired of cleaning rotten eggs off her car?
When was the duet? Because Kid Rock used to be significantly further left than he is now.
I always liked her, now I know why.
Kudos to Cheryl and I know several other Tesla that want to trade-in their cars because of Leon Hitler.
Kudos? She benefits financially from this little virtue signal.
First she’s going to pick up some new fans that will buy her music, plus the publicity also has monetary value to her. And secondly, because she donated the proceeds of the sale of the car to NPR, she gets to write off the donation from her taxes to benefit financially yet again. Nor does she need to worry about someone vandalizing her property, which would cost her money to repair.
Just another profitable day for a person with a $70 million net worth.
It’s sad because there are a lot of good people who work at Tesla. Elon is going to end up putting them all out of work at this rate.
Elon’s putting a lot more people than that out of work.
Part of his drive into politics is because of so number of lawsuits against him about working conditions.
But he’ll put many more people out of work than just work for Tesla. Just USAID he’s out basically 10k people out of work domestically, who knows how many thousands of people overseas.
Just USAID he’s out basically 10k people out of work domestically,
This is sure to increase Americans’ wages. Right? Right???
Brb, going to check egg prices
Its been known for a while Musk is an absolute piece of shit
Even before Elon went crazy I thought it was publicly known it was a terrible place to work for with bad work life balance, and people worked at to get on their resume then move on to another company.
One of my engineer coworkers just got a job at SpaceX for more money. He hated his old job at our company (99% paperwork). And everybody still feels sorry for him!
There’s 9 people sitting at a table, a nazi joins them. Now there’s 10 nazis at the table.
That they’re “good people” might have been true. But if when the situation changes, and you don’t act, then you’re complicit. Good people would have quit, even at a loss.
F elon
The ‘human’ milk bag.
She saved her self a lot of trouble from the crappy Tesla build quality.
If it makes you happy…
All I wanna do is sell that car I got a feelin’ I’m not the only one.
