CORRECTION: A previous version of this article misstated that this poll had a likely voter screen. Democrats have a 57%-40% lead among men ages 18-30 who say they’re the most determined to vote.
Not exactly great that 40% of young men are still listening to Joe Rogan.
I still don’t understand how he got from Fear Factor to “trusted” talking head.
Its the celebrity effect. I even saw it with otherwise respected individuals like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. People fundamentally cannot understand that a person who is a subject matter expert in one are may be completely out of their element in another area. Add in social media letting then (intentionally or not) amplify their most mundane thoughts and boom. You’re ah “influencer” on any topic you choose to talk about.
Joe Rogan seemed different because he had the sense to bring other smart people on and let them talk. But that mask slipped off over the years.
Although Rogan has been increasingly critical of Trump and MAGA for what it’s worth.
Not worth much unfortunately with how completely malleable he is without a single lick of critical thinking skills.
Where’d you read that statistic? I can’t find Rogan’s name anywhere in the linked article or the underlying poll they’re talking about
don’t tell me they are going from the liar of the right to the liar of the left piker
is the problem with young men that they’re fucking idiots?
As I turn into an old man, it’s almost overwhelming the realization of just how fucking dumb the average young man is.
Let’s be honest though, when were were young, we were pretty stupid too. I mean I used to have some level of respect for Libertarians back in the day.
“Stupid” yes, but never “vote Republican” stupid.
Eh, 9/11 did a number on me, and were I of age in 2004, I would have likely voted for Bush because I was young, dumb, and ignorant. By 2008 (the first election I was 18 for) I could see the Republicans for what they were, and made it a point to vote otherwise. How anyone grows beyond a certain age and thinks these guys have the answers to fucking anything is beyond me though.
Sure but to Gen Z 9/11 is old history.
Oh 100%, I think that’s the overwhelming part for me. These fucking idiots keep showing me my past self.
I used to be a libertarian back in the day; partly because I didn’t understand socialism, or libertarianism for that matter. But I think mostly because my prefrontal cortex hadn’t fully developed yet so my capacity for empathy was limited.
I was pretty fucking stupid.
Hey at least we lived and learned, grew past the whole teenaged edgelord phase of things. More than I can say for some of those Gen-Xer’s I grew up with.
Right on, and we keep living and learning by remaining humble about how fucking dumb we still are.
As we age, the ego takes a step back and it becomes easier to accept our shortcomings. The more I learn the more I realize I don’t know sort of thing.
My self-realization came down to: Sometimes I’m just an asshole despite my best efforts.
Libertarianism makes sense in a culture where you feel markets will keep themselves honest.
Reality , of course, is disappointing and I was a stupid young man for believing that.
I think the unspoken and fatal prerequisite for libertarianism is that it requires a truly equal society that doesn’t have white supremacy baked into it.
It doesn’t cause that kind of society, it needs it to be preexisting, and so in the context of modern America it would just serve to bolster the existing inequalities.
Or just be an anarchist. It rejects these current systems but without the white supremacy bullshit.
Direct action is the insistence, when faced with structures of unjust authority, on acting as if one is already free.
-David Graeber
We need each other to do things that we can’t do for ourselves. If we are intimately connected with each other, we just give things to each other; if we don’t know each other we find another way to handle it. If you think about it, each according to his or her abilities and each according to his or her needs is sort of the same thing as supply and demand.
-David Graeber
Brilliant.
I have been going down a David Graeber rabbit hole for the past few months, and I am certainly on that trajectory. It’s funny, I’ve heard anecdotally that there is a surprisingly direct pipeline from disillusioned evangelical christian to anarchist, and it makes sense. The principles of anarchy resonate with the most basic lessons we are taught and which Christianity has sort of claimed for itself as how to be godly.
Anarchy has an amazingly bad branding challenge though, especially in America. I thought socialism had a bad brand, and then I started learning what anarchy actually is. Yikes.
I would say I am totally aligned intellectually with the principles of anarchy as I understand them today, and yet I still reflexively equate the very word with “disorder” and “chaos”. I have to be very intentional to turn my intellectual agreement into an actual warm fuzzy vibe when I hear or read the word. The connotations are set deep. I don’t think I’m unique or even in the minority in that regard, and I’m certain that’s no accident. Right now my sense of things is that socialism is the most practical path to anarchy, but even reading back the words I just wrote, I think at least half of america would think I was describing some sort of leftist terror plot.
On the bright side, I do think that the open corruption and incompetence of our world leaders has begun to undercut the baked in idea that rulers create order. Hopefully the more we as a society see the man behind the proverbial curtain and parse the real fact that Nobody Knows What They Are Doing, the necessity of mutual aid begins to become more clear.
each according to his or her abilities and each according to his or her needs
That’s not anarchism. That’s literally a direct quote from the Communist Manifesto.
I get what you’re saying. I agree with what you’re saying. It’s why I’d guess most of us are here on Lemmy. Why most of us probably use Android. And why most of us are likely Linux/FOSS entusiasts.
Because the communist one two punch of a) From each according to their capacity to each according to their needs, and b) Give a Brick, get a house.
But those things aren’t a function of anarchism at all.
I agree with a lot of the libertarian beliefs, but the people who actually call themselves that are absolutely insane.
Believing in freedom, equality and liberty for all is great until you meet someone that wants to remove all rules and regulations.
It advocates for equality while destroying the institutions that could create equality.
I get why it appeals to young white men - they don’t need the federal government because it was built to work for them, and so it all looks like waste.
It’s the gateway to the sovereign citizen phenomenon.
That’s because most libertarians are just ashamed conservatives/gop/magats
I fall into a social libertarian political spectrum more than anything else. I believe most people do when they are ok with private companies, socialism for citizens and regulations for said private companies.
Same, and same.
To be old and wise, one must first be young and foolish.
Cambridge Analytica, gamer gate, and others have steered the younger generation to the right. It was a designed psyop to make Republicans relevant again, and it worked. The younger (white) males are still in my experience pretty fucking stupid and ignorant. I hope they’ve opened their minds a bit, but there were (and still are) very powerful voices trying to take advantage of their insecurities and turn them into fascists. It’s hard to hold them fully accountable for that reason but God damn is it hard to try to get through to these people.
And it’s gonna get way stupider, just wait until the brainrot Gen Alpha iPad kids have grown up lol.
Now give that young man a gun and a fast car!
always has been
Parents forcing young boys into concussion (football) camp doesn’t help. Brain damage them early
Our parents have lead paint in their blood and our children have microplastics in their blood
Weird angle to take, that’s a pretty small segment of the population.
Eh. At least they’re (presumably) learning their lesson instead of sticking their heads in the sand. It sucks that they put Cheeto McPedo into power, but hopefully this leads to evwryone waking up and putting a stop to MAGA
Young men swung toward trump in 2024.
I think young men are idiots. Probably much the same reason as any republican might not vote for trump in the future. They’re fine with, or at least were willing to overlook, everything trump did up until it cost them personally. Energy prices and the rapidly rising cost of goods. If trump somehow fixed those two things you can bet these people would cruise along just fine with ICE shooting people, trump bombing schools, and killing people in boats on the ocean.
I think you are right. There is a certain type of person that does not give a fuck if others are being harmed ( and many actively cheer that on, because, well, they are demented ) but the minute they are feeling the squeeze, that’s when they wake up.
If prices were to suddenly be cut dramatically, they’d probably be just fine with all the other crazy shit.
But will they vote?
Of course they are.
- Party A wins election, workers make less, companies make more.
- It’s the last election! Party A will seize power if we don’t stop them! They’re cheating!
- Party B wins election, workers make less, companies make more.
- It’s the last election! Party B will seize power if we don’t stop them! They’re cheating!
- Party A wins… repeat for 200 years
BoTh SiDeS aren’t the same, one is pro-LGBT, the other is pro-church. However, they are bOtH anti-union and pro-billionaire. For evidence, look at company profits vs. worker earnings for the past 70 years.
Each party uses the other to blame their “mistakes” (i.e. deliberate failures against popular will) on. The only “cure” presented is party A or party B, both refuse to represent the people.
Something like 80% of voters want universal healthcare, 90% Democratic support with 60% independent support and even 30% Republican support. Since the 1990s. It doesn’t matter.
The vast majority of people want higher minimum wage. Undeniable. Over 20 years of “15 an hour” protests. Biden won on minimum wage platform. Doesn’t matter.
Nobody wanted to go to war against Iraq. Trump won on a “no war” platform. Doesn’t matter.
I vote in every election, and you should, too. Because it’s funny.
You’re mostly right. But things do matter. No one wanted to go to war. And the consequences of going to war was so bad that Cheney didn’t even try to run for president. Literally no one in America wanted to be involved in Iran, and now Trump’s cult is melting down as their gas prices explode. This absolutely will affect midterms.
Suck that change for the people is slow, but it happens. Actions still have consequences.
Literally no one in America wanted to be involved in Iran
I guarantee you the evangelicals did. They control the Republican party, they got exactly what they wanted.
You’re confusing neoliberals with Democrats, something that only helps neoliberals and Republicans and hurts literally everyone else…
Sure, and the fix is to stop electing conservatives on both sides. You need progressives and DSAs to get shit done. Mamdani and Bernie are shining examples of this. However, the dumber people are very vulnerable to media telling them what to think instead of thinking critically and shove out good candidates for people they were told by media are good candidates.
Like, you would expect the guy that got arrested for civil rights would have the majority of the minority vote but nope.
The young men sampled are overwhelmingly concerned about cost-of-living issues — the same reason that many swung toward the GOP two years ago.
I believe we are in the age of one-term presidents, and this is why. The system is failing people, and whoever’s in charge is going to get blamed the hardest. Four years is enough time for enough voters to forget how much they hate they other party, or if they remember, then their frustration with them is on the back burner.
So long as nobody does shit about the cost of living, voters will keep trying to punish whoever’s in charge.
What would they even do about the cost of living? It’s not like the companies are all going to lower their prices. My entire life the cost of living has only ever gone up. Never down. The only way to make it better would be if everyone got generous raises but the ruling class says that will make it worse
The goal is for cost of living to go up along with wages or dollar value. Remember a nickel in the 40’s was not a little bit of money. Now we hardly even think about it. And I hope your employer is at least giving cost of living raise. Don’t stay at a company that goes years on end without giving any increase.
Mamdani is trying to implement government run grocery stores. That’s something isn’t it?
What would they even do about the cost of living?
Where there’s a will, there’s a way. The government could chose to spend money helping people in any number of ways, but it’s always “how you gonna pay for it?” Meanwhile there’s a blank check for building bombs to be dropped on Yemen, Iran, or Palestine.
Give us universal healthcare so people don’t go bankrupt and lose their houses when they develop a health problem. Maybe build some of those cheap, commieblock apartments that we can rent for like 6% of our income instead of a third or more. Build public transit so we don’t have to spend tons of money buying and maintaining cars. Subsidize essentials like groceries. If we weren’t pouring a trillion dollars a year into terrorizing brown people on the other side of the world, we could afford to do basically anything.
All of those are things that other governments have done, but here in the States we’re so used to the government doing fuck-all to the point that people start thinking it isn’t even possible for the government to help anyone. But if you look at other countries, or at history, there’s plenty of stuff they could do if they wanted to.
Good luck getting a job if you vote R
I think the most disturbing thing about fascism is that most people just go along with the cruelty until it really stops working as effective governance.
Any adult who votes alt right should not just be welcomed for realising their hatred is wrong. Cause they’ll be as fickle next time they get an easy “solution” offered for their problems.
Obviously they shouldn’t be shunned forever. But I wish there were more consequences than “whoopsie daisy I accidentally aligned with fascists”
Fickle lot.
Did they really believe trump!?
Not necessarily. They believed whatever their podcast host on Twitch said to believe, and they were paid to say “believe in Trump”. Or at best “both sides are the same it doesn’t matter”
Democrats meanwhile did nothing because they are extremely slow with adapting to how the youth consume news.
The both sides are the same thing makes my eyes shake
No shit Look at this https://youtu.be/7lGrKW4A_xc
