• huf [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    2 hours ago

    because they industrialized before metricalization and it would’ve been incredibly expensive to convert all their machines and tooling to metric afterwards. same reason as the UK. a lot of places industrialized later, in metric from the start, and didnt have this problem.

    and then they became the hegemon, and didnt have to convert, because fuck you, why should i cooperate with vassals.

    the US will convert to metric when it sinks to the level it deserves and the customary units become a pain because nobody else is willing to deal with them and all the importable equipment is in metric.

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    Americans aren’t taught the metric system in school in a way that would force them to understand why it’s better. American education rarely teaches life skills, and in my case, almost none at all even though I was a full honors student at a top high school.

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    USA uses both, just like the UK and Canada. It’s standard in the states for…medicine, the military, science, and… two-liter beverage bottles.

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    Officially, we’re the only ones still using imperial units. But, the British use a mash-up of units in their daily lives, as does Liberia and Myanmar.

    Reagan pulled the plug on our attempted conversion in 1980.

    We’ll convert someday, probably after our imperial reign is over, somewhat fittingly.

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      12 hours ago

      Except it’s not imperial units, it’s US customary. Similar names, different actual quantities.

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    Not the only country Liberia uses the imperial system too.

    I think its more odd that many countries use a mix (e.g. the UK with units like stones and some lengths in imperial while others are not)

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    The US uses the metric system. SI units are provided by Federal Government for almost every quantifiable product produced by a federal agency and its been like that for decades. Often they use a mix of customary and SI units, providing conversions between the two in official reports. Generally you see customary units communicated when work more directly impacts the general public with more technical work using the SI system. Many industrial fields use predominantly the metric system as is the case for medicine and many engineering fields.

    The US does not use, exclusively, the metric system because many units had been adopted by convention prior to the formalization of the modern international SI system and for cultural or historic reasons people don’t want to change.

    That’s not so different from other places where measurement systems in common use are often retained.

    The metric system debate is, for me, one of the most interesting cultural bugbears on the internet. Because it does not really matter that much what system of measurement a nation uses, its really not going to impact your life that much at the end of the day. Particularly in the modern era where conversion is as trivial as looking up a calculator online. But for whatever reason people get huffy about the metric system.

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    The actual answer is it’s too expensive to convert everything at this point. If it takes months to get a pothole filled, good luck with changing all the sighs even as a start. A lot of people use metric anyway. SAE tools can go where the sun don’t shine. Fuck your fractions. Give me a 10 or a 12 or a 17 (mm, stay away Jeffrey) makes more sense than 13/32" … just why, it’s so dumb.

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      SAE tools for SAE hardware. I agree, saying something like “gimme a 7/16 wrench for this 1/4-20 by 3/8 bolt” is probably like speaking a foreign language to someone accustomed to metric. But you get used to it if you see it every day.

      Now metric measurements of wire are fucking ridiculous in my eye. AWG (American wire gauge) all day. The metric equivalent measures the diameter of the wire and calls it like 1 mm2 for 18 awg, 1.5 for 16, 2.5 for 14, 4 for 12 awg etc. AWG keeps it nice and easy, every other even number starting at like 32 down to 2.

      It does get a little fucky from there tho lol. Like then it goes 1 and 0 AWG, then 1/0, 2/0, 3/0, 4/0 (pronounced like 1 awwt), then 250, 500, 750, 1000 MCM. But I’ve also heard those sizes of 250-1000 called KCMIL instead for… reasons…

      It’s like most of our measurements. It’s what “feels” right if that makes any sense. Fahrenheit is more accurate to what changes are noticeable to the human body, a foot or a yard just paints a way better picture than half a meter etc. I’m sure most of it is based off like farmers or something rather than scientific measurements.

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        Yeah you make a proper point; most of the stuff the hardware I work with is metric, the wiring is awg, and the temps are Fahrenheit. Honestly other than a 1/4" and 3/8" spark plug socket, I don’t remember the last time I used any of my anything out of my box wrench sets. They basically are wall ornaments that collect dust. Same with range, I would just use meters since they’re close enough. You know like, target out 300 meters leading left.

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          We bend raw copper and aluminum busbars at work for manufacturing industrial electrical systems. All standard hardware. Plus whatever else goes into it like insulated supports, polyballs, mounting hardware of components on panels, etc. So I’m probably one of the rare exceptions that use SAE more than metric, especially how pretty much every car (even American made ones) use metric now. Other than maybe changing a bolt for an old lawnmower or something, yeah I get why it’s not really used much anymore.

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            Yeah I think an old Briggs and Stratton engine was the only time time I remember using SAE. I mean I still use SAE [Tap] die sets but the irony is the nut outer is metric.

            It’s funny how often I have to repeat myself; as in you need 3/8 brass pipe or 1/2 brass pipe, no not 3/8 compression or flared. I work on high end espresso machines these days, like 20-40k ones.

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              3/8 is such a cursed measurement lol. Like this 3/8 wrench fits a #10 hex head screw. No it doesn’t fit 3/8 hardware. You want 9/16 for that. Oh 9/16 hardware? You can use either 7/8 or 13/16. Or just grab a metric wrench that’s close enough like a 7/16 is the same thing as an 11mm or 3/4 is the same as 19mm. Not gonna lie at certain point it’s just memorizing shit and pattern recognition

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                3/8 is such a cursed measurement lol yes. lol.

                And yeah, I think it’s easier to remember not fractions. I can’t say that I don’t have some shims…

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    My theory is that the federal nature of the US leads to a default popular attitude of hostility toward any policy that originates above the state level, unless there are commercial interests willing to pay for the marketing and campaign contributions to sell it to the people and/or legislators. And businesses aren’t that interested in an improvement that only marginally affects their profits.

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    Maybe because it works? It ain’t a good system, but changes like this affect a lot of different areas and would cause a lot of disruption.

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      Changes happened to other countries too. They also don’t have to do it everywhere all at once.