Despite his “no” vote, the Senate deal to reopen the government bears Schumer’s fingerprints

Either Schumer no longer has effective control over own his caucus, or he has permitted the deal to progress with a wink and a nod behind the scenes — and with a strident disavowal for the bank of cameras he famously loves — while taking Democratic voters for fools.

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      He absolutely orchestrated it, the reason he is the minority leader in senate is because he has the connections and political capital to influence or even order the votes of his party. I am only somewhat curious if they knew he was going to back out and vote no to try to wash his hands of his own capitulation. It’s wild because it signals he still thinks he has a future.

      Schumer represents a weird kind of old-school political capital. Whereas Trump’s power comes from a literal horde of orcs carrying weapons and flags, arguably an even older kind of power to wield, Schumer carries the Elder Conclave of Ancient Liberal Liches who delight in social parties and ritual and systems. If you’ve ever listened to the old-guard dems talking among each other it sounds like a Victorian-era socialite gathering, like aliens from another dimension. While wildly out-of-touch, the reason he has power is because this kind of thing appeals to older institutional bankers, elder community leaders, and people with old money.

      Old money is the reason he still stands as the “head” of the Democratic party and I am actually unsure if efforts to unseat him will be successful for the same reasons that Trump and his warband face no consequences because their own political capital. Nobody wants to challenge the base. If you go against Trump you get people breaking into your house and shooting you, if you go against Schumer, you lose your 7-figure retirement and your vacation house on the beach. For many people with a lot to lose, either of these outcomes is equally terrifying.

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    Huh, I wonder which Democratic member of the House or Senate said that

    For Roginsky, a self-described establishment Democrat

    Who?

    Julie Roginsky, a longtime Democratic strategist, television commentator and author of the Salty Politics online newsletter.

    Again, I agree Schumer should be replaced, but not in a heated coup that shakes up the Epstein investigation just in time for House Democrats to finally have enough votes to release the files.

    I find it so very, very odd, that other than Ro Kahnna, there seem to be no House or Senate Democrats jumping on this bandwagon (including the actual progressives members who aren’t owned by Peter Thiel).

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    Every single elected democrat should be primaried from the left in 2028, full stop.

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    Does anyone know the strategy or play for doing this? I mean, this seams super weak on the surface. I do know that the timing or the next negotiations would be advantageous, but geesh, that the best they got?

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      Elections are over. That was the stop gap. Now they have to reopen so people can get paid to go shopping for holiday season.

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    Chuck Schumer voted against the capitulation. Blame the Senators who voted for it.

    Put aside your axe to grind with Schumer and make statements that reflect reality.

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      Ain’t no fucking way Chuck Schumer isn’t responsible for this. That motherfucker has been doing shit like this for a while. But, let’s be fair and say, for some fucking reason, that Schumer had nothing to do with this. Then he has absolutely no control over his party, and he should go.

      Like, either he sucks at his job and needs to go or he coordinated this and needs to go. And I no longer think he is bad at his job. Out of touch? Yes. A fucking dipshit? Yes. But bad at his job? No. I am not stupid enough to believe that for one second.

      Which means we need to replace every Dem senator with progressives. Every senator should be followed everywhere by homeless people in their state. They should be seated next to starving families in restaurants. They should be forced to share medical treatments with the people whose healthcare they just sacrificed.

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        Ain’t no fucking way Chuck Schumer isn’t responsible for this. That motherfucker has been doing shit like this for a while. But, let’s be fair and say, for some fucking reason, that Schumer had nothing to do with this. Then he has absolutely no control over his party, and he should go.

        Is that a joke? Senators are independent human beings, Schumer doesn’t have a mind control device.

        He did EXACTLY what you all said you wanted him to do. Now, the goalposts have been shifted so you can continue to grind that axe. It’s bad faith.

        Like, either he sucks at his job and needs to go or he coordinated this and needs to go. And I no longer think he is bad at his job. Out of touch? Yes. A fucking dipshit? Yes. But bad at his job? No. I am not stupid enough to believe that for one second.

        Do you have any actual PROOF that Schumer engineered the capitulation? Your personal opinions on the matter aren’t really what’s under discussion here. Just vague and unsubstantiated accusations, pretty Trumpian if you ask me.

        Which means we need to replace every Dem senator with progressives.

        Keep living in a fucking dream world. Any honest person knows that that is an impossibility. You’re going to hold out for something that can’t happen and in the meantime, Republicans will continue to control the country. It is BEYOND fucking stupid.

        Why do we need to replace all the moderate Democrats that did EXACTLY what you said you wanted them to do?

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          Ain’t no fucking way you’re not a troll.

          Why do we need to replace all the moderate Democrats that did EXACTLY what you said you wanted them to do?

          Because they didn’t do what I wanted them to do. Obviously. Did you not read?

          Do you have any actual PROOF that Schumer engineered the capitulation? Your personal opinions on the matter aren’t really what’s under discussion here. Just vague and unsubstantiated accusations, pretty Trumpian if you ask me.

          Like, either he sucks at his job and needs to go or he coordinated this and needs to go.

          Idk, man, it’s literally right there.

          You should try harder?