And the military who thinks they’re being ordered to break the law should stay and resist…
Like, I know, this a marine. But surely they retain enough critical thinking to understand if everyone who thinks trump is giving illegal orders resigns…
The only people left in the military would be people who are fine with this shit.
When people say “lead, follow, or get out of the way”
The “get out of the way” option is supposed to embarrass them into at least following.
You can’t “get out of the way” of fucking fascism and then expect people to clap for you. It’s only going to be idiots who don’t understand anything clapping.
Giving up is not a viable strategy in the face of fascism.
Resigning is a way to call attention to the problem while you still have most of your credibility. There would be a smear campaign against you, but the alternative situation might be after getting fired for cause, where it would be easier to believe that you are just making excuses to save face. Especially if you are already demoralized and don’t have the energy to make a stand, you may start feeding the idea that you are just unfit for the job and lose support internally.
It also adds a bit of chaos into the organization that needs to replace you and may not have somebody prepared to step into a position haunted by this politicized issue and rocky transition. It does happen because organizations are made of limited and discrete people, but it is easy to be afraid of the infinite number of sycophants that must be ready to take their place.
It might be a tactic that is useful in limited situations, but I agree in general that we want rusty cogs slowing down the fascist machine.
Resigning is a way to call attention to the problem
Oh wow!
I didn’t realize this was for awareness. Someone go get Susan G Kommen out of whatever mansion she’s hiding in and tell her we need to raise fucking awareness that trump is violating the constitution.
Obviously nothing is more important than awareness!
Why fight fascism when you can raise awareness?
#Giant fucking /S
You kid but awareness is a first order problem in the fight itself, and I hate to break it to you, but a significant portion of the population is not meaningfully aware of how dire it is.
Something like this might be the thing that gets through to them. There is also probably a large portion of the population who suspects how bad this is but doesn’t trust the media and is specifically looking to see how the military leaders react to this stuff.
If there are any perceived adults in the room at this point, it is probably the military.
Oh yeah, I’m absolutely positive the people who are ignorant of what’s happening will see this Huff Post article and their minds will change…
This one news article about a quitter raises waaaaaya more awareness than months/years of court cases where officers are being let go for not following specific orders they felt were illegal
If there are any perceived adults in the room at this point, it is probably the military
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Not as much as you’d think
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They’ll be even less, if the few adults left fucking resign and leave
You would be making such a killer point if this were even remotely the only article covering it, haha.
Let’s say a dozen articles over a week if say that’s generous though.
Compare that to years/months of trump having to fire 100s maybe even thousands of officers while they say loudly and repeatedly exactly what the illegal.orders were in a courtroom…
Like cmon man.
Even if you legitimately think awareness is most important, making trump fire them is more awareness.
And that’s not even getting into how much of a hassle firing an officer is.
The harsh truth is their cowards who want to retain the benefits that come with resigning.
If they resign they’re putting themselves over the country, against the oath they swore.
They’re fucking cowards not heroes, and I legit don’t know why people don’t see that.
I didn’t say awareness is most important, I said it was first order, and I stand by that.
I’m not saying this is enough and we should prop our feet up and wait for it all to blow over. I’m saying awareness itself is critically important for anything else to happen, and whether this is the thing that will do it or not (it won’t be one thing), it’s critical that more of the populace becomes aware.
I’m not even sure what we’re arguing about at this point, but you’re +7 in my upvote history so I clearly agree with you on a lot, but I think it is important for leaders to walk away and it’s important for people to see that happening.
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As I understand it, they were about to fire him, so staying and resisting may not have been an option. Perhaps he wanted to get ahead of the story and have his.moment to speak.
Also, I’ve never been in the military, but I imagine they have extremely strict policies against active duty members (particularly officers) criticizing the administration in public. This guy probably had to quit first if he wanted to say what he said publicly.
I hope it has an effect on current active-duty troops when they get their illegal orders.
they were about to fire him
Then make them do it…
It’s not something that can happen at the snap of a finger, and even after the fact would involve court cases that take resources away from the shitty things they’re trying to do…
We’re fucking fighting fascism man, we have to fight every battle even if we lose, because it at least eats up the clock.
There is literally zero gain from resigning.
Agreed. I get the guys point, but the most powerful weapon we still have is our soldiers, and their allegiance to the American people, and the principals that our country stands for. He is far more powerful if he remains, and sticks to his beliefs.
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He resigned and then he wants others to resist?
When you are in the military, you are under an unbreakable contract.
While getting out is preferable, for those who can not, it’s better that they resist the illegal orders.
Nonetheless, he is one who would resist such orders and left so he wouldn’t have to. That leaves potentially others in charge who will simply bend a knee for the paycheck, ego or ideology.
I think the point is more that while you’re in the military, you’re likely restricted in what you can say publicly, even if it’s possible to resist illegal orders within the structure. The guys resigned and no longer beholden to that restriction, so he’s publicly urging others to take similar actions in resisting illegal orders.
Could be wrong, as I’m not that familiar with military requirements, but that’d be my guess.
True, it seems that’s the route the US army is going.
Everyone in the military swore an oath to defend the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic.
…giving his two weeks notice to our chief domestic threat doesn’t quite live up to that responsibility.
Our military is absolutely stuffed with cowards and traitors.
A former U.S. Marine Corps colonel and combat veteran of 24 years resigned in late September, now saying he did so because of President Donald Trump and “concern for our country’s future.”
In an op-ed titled “I resigned from the military because of Trump,” published in The Washington Post on Thursday, Doug Krugman noted that “no commander in chief is perfect,” but said he nevertheless believed that previous presidents took their oaths to the Constitution seriously.
With Trump, he wrote, he no longer believes that.
