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      ONLY because the US makes ID cards some bizarre expensive thing.

      Canada: bring your health card or driver license or passport. Present it when you get to the volunteer who crosses your name off the list and gives you the paper ballot so you can mark an x.

      It’s only a big impairment in America because they needed to somehow make it so. It’s baffling.

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        It’s only a big impairment in America because they needed to somehow make it so. It’s baffling.

        I genuinely can’t tell if you are being sarcastic, but making voting difficult in US is intentional.

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        I’ve actually seen some arguments that requiring ID for voting would be legal if it were easy to acquire and free. Of course, the politicians arguing for ID requirements also oppose any attempt to make ID free.

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          And if they were able to pass something requiring ID, their next target would be making it difficult or impossible to get IDs in liberal areas.

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        Canada: bring your health card or driver license or passport

        Or library card, blood donor card, credit card, a bank statement, a cheque stub from the government, a tax return assessment…the list is long.

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      I’m sure they’ll be consequences for TurdNugget this time.
      Any second now. Anyyyyy seconddddd now, or now. You just wait, it’ll happen. Very soon. Maybe now? Or now? Nnnnnnnnoooooowww?
      You wait and see, just wait…

      NOW? no, ok, well it’ll deffo happen soon.

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      It’s not something he can ignore, because he doesn’t run the elections, the states do. This just lets blue states ignore his order.

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    Hey Americans, just establish a national identity document already. Belgium, Spain, Germany, Greece and other European countries that are definitely not tyrannies have them. It will fix so many of your problems.

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      That’s strongly opposed by the same people who want to require proof of citizenship and identification to vote

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    I think it’s insane that proof of citizenship isn’t a requirement, and that states aren’t mandated to give IDs to their citizens

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      I think it’s insane that proof of citizenship isn’t a requirement

      If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?

      and that states aren’t mandated to give IDs to their citizens

      The extreme Christians would never go for that, because they equate it to the Mark of the Beast in the Bible. I’m not joking.

      https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/just-time-independence-day-renewed-call-national-id-card

      This isn’t a partisan issue. In 1981, at the outset of the Reagan administration, then-Attorney General William French Smith argued that a national worker ID would be necessary to stop illegal immigration. At a cabinet meeting another member jokingly suggested that it would be easier simply to tattoo an identification number on everyone. President Reagan then exclaimed, “My God! That’s the mark of the beast,” effectively ending the Reagan administration’s discussion of a national ID system.

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        Most US citizens do not have a passport and I’m sure a large number have lost their birth certificate.

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        In 1981, [ #reasons ]

        “We did it this way because that’s how the discussion happened” isn’t science, unless you’re quoting Grace Hopper or a “5 monkey” experiment.

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        Speaking as a European here, just seems ridiculous to me, sorry for any misunderstandings, but y’all should have mandatory IDs and just use census data for voter registration

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        If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?

        No. What a weird question. You go get another one at the DMV. It’ll take you a half-hour.

        Why the drama over a lost card?

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          Have you ever been to the DMV? If you show up without an appointment they tell you to come back at 4am to form a line.

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          I don’t live in bumpfuck nowhere, I live just outside a major metropolitan city. My wife had to wait 3 months to get her DL renewed and she had to drive over an hour to get to the office, IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING CITY!

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          Um. My son is getting his learner’s permit, we had to make an appointment at DMV, and the waitlist was 3 weeks. So, you sure about that?

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            When I moved to a new state, I went to the DMV without an appointment. I was there for over 5 hours and then it took nearly 3 months for my new license to arrive in the mail. When it did, they got my birthday wrong.

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              My old roommate waited 3 weeks to get a drivers license, and they spelled his name wrong on it.

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          Neither of those can be acquired at the DMV. It actually takes a long time to get a passport because they have to do a lot of checks. In certain cases you can pay to speed up the process but I doubt that’d be possible if people needed it to vote. Too many people in too short a window.

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      Verification of citizenship is already done, the burden just isn’t on the citizen. You have to provide a lot of information to register and if it doesn’t check out you won’t get registered or you’ll be arrested if you falsified something. Successfully registering when you’re not a citizen requires either big lapses on the govt side or extensive personal info from a US citizen. This is why immigrants voting, legal or illegal, is incredibly rare.

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        Still insane that congress hasn’t enacted mandatory ID’s for both voter registration (although you could and should go by census data) and hasn’t enacted mandatory ID’s more generally

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      funny the only states that mandate excessive amounts of ID, are red states. blue states make it possible for you to vote whenever it can. they dont have the fuckery the red states have with voting. low turnout almost always help republicans when used with Voter suppression.